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Old 08-01-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Yep, I know exactly what you mean. Especially if it's a horror movie or some sort of drama involving violence. At the beginning of the movie they'll show a family pet or some other animal, and you just know that the animal is going to meet a rather grisly demise before the end of the film.

Think "Basic Instinct" (bunny scene) or "The Thing" (the dog who is infected by the alien) as a couple of examples.

One movie that didn't do this was "Alien" when Mr. Jones (the cat) is sitting in his pet carrier, completely vulnerable, and the alien shows up. I was sure that was the end of Jonesy; thank goodness they decided not to have him meet a grisly demise. (Thank you Ripley! )
I think of all the innocent teenagers killed in horror flicks. Oh, the carnage!

There are psychological biases we all have, and an entire generation brought up on sappy and sanitized Disney and tv product, and very little interaction with nature or traditional farm life. There also hasn't been a world war since the 1940s, Vietnam is fading memories, and the inroads of some extremist groups has changed pet ownership relations for many.

I find the speculation interesting that our elevation of animals to personhood status is largely because we have come to accept that we, as humanity, will always be treating other humans inhumanely, cannot prevent that, and want to limit the carnage to our own species.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I find the speculation interesting that our elevation of animals to personhood status is largely because we have come to accept that we, as humanity, will always be treating other humans inhumanely, cannot prevent that, and want to limit the carnage to our own species.
I don't view it that way at all. I think the 'elevation' of animals to be on an equal par with humans may originate from several prospects; partly because we tend to be more isolated these days, despite (or because of) the ever-growing human population. We live next to people for 40 years and barely know their names. We isolate ourselves in more crowded areas, we lean more upon technology for human interaction, and generally are becoming a bit desensitized to others as well. (Speaking in very general terms, of course.) For those who do feel a sense of isolation, a pet can be comforting, giving companionship when needed, and for families, a pet can certainly play a factor in interacting with the children as well as the adults. Animal lovers have long recognized just how important pets can be in our lives, serving as companions, and in many cases, as helpers.

Along with this, a growing number of pet owners view their dogs, cats, and other species along the same lines as children, simply because these creatures - as with children - are completely dependent upon them for their well-being and survival. An animal in a pet or companion role has been put there by humans, and thus thrusts upon that person the feeling of having to protect and care for the animal. I do believe that this is the biggest driving force out there for those who advocate for animal rights, and those who cannot watch movies when torture and / or death of animal is involved. I don't think it has anything to do with 'wanting to limit carnage to our own species'...people who cringe at suffering of animals in movies often do so as well when the suffering is directed at humans. And when it comes to an innocent creature suffering or being killed - be it an animal or a human child - the revulsion is elevated enormously.
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:30 PM
 
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I would feel like I need to start choosing different movies to watch.
We had that conversation, if you read the thread.
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:35 PM
 
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I don't view it that way at all. I think the 'elevation' of animals to be on an equal par with humans may originate from several prospects; partly because we tend to be more isolated these days, despite (or because of) the ever-growing human population. We live next to people for 40 years and barely know their names. We isolate ourselves in more crowded areas, we lean more upon technology for human interaction, and generally are becoming a bit desensitized to others as well. (Speaking in very general terms, of course.) For those who do feel a sense of isolation, a pet can be comforting, giving companionship when needed, and for families, a pet can certainly play a factor in interacting with the children as well as the adults. Animal lovers have long recognized just how important pets can be in our lives, serving as companions, and in many cases, as helpers.

Along with this, a growing number of pet owners view their dogs, cats, and other species along the same lines as children, simply because these creatures - as with children - are completely dependent upon them for their well-being and survival. An animal in a pet or companion role has been put there by humans, and thus thrusts upon that person the feeling of having to protect and care for the animal. I do believe that this is the biggest driving force out there for those who advocate for animal rights, and those who cannot watch movies when torture and / or death of animal is involved. I don't think it has anything to do with 'wanting to limit carnage to our own species'...people who cringe at suffering of animals in movies often do so as well when the suffering is directed at humans. And when it comes to an innocent creature suffering or being killed - be it an animal or a human child - the revulsion is elevated enormously.
I do cringe at violence against any living thing, even a human adult. But that doesn't happen in every other movie I watch because no one would watch anything. It hasn't got anything to do with humanizing animals, either. It was just the fact that the first second I clapped eyes on a pet in a movie I "knew" they were there to die badly. I HATED being proved right. I also don't watch stupid movies where all the teenage lovers get slaughtered, but that's become such a franchise that I have to think more people do than don't love seeing it on screen.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:50 PM
 
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We had that conversation, if you read the thread.
Yes, I've read the thread.

You asked what I would do if every movie I watched showed children murdered in gruesome ways, and I answered.
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