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Old 09-08-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Usually in a series of movies, the sequels tend to get worse compared to the original but there are a few exceptions where I would say that the original is not as good as the sequels.

Three examples off the top of my head are the first Mad Max, the first Evil Dead, and A Fistful of Dollars, not being as good as the sequels.

Does the first three X-men movies count as a trilogy, and the rest that follow after, are spin offs, since they have different stories? If so, I would say that the first X-men is not as good as the two sequels either, which compliment the first more.

What do you think?
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:52 AM
 
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Star Trek: The Movie was certainly worse than its sequel.

I'd argue with you regarding Fistful of Dollars.
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Old 09-08-2018, 01:09 PM
 
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Here is a great list showing sequels that far outperformed the original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ce_improvement

Interesting list in that the original is often a better movie. I'm guessing the studio failed to properly market the original and made up for it the second time around.

Proper marketing of a movie has got to be a large part of a movies success.

For example, no way that Die Hard II is better than Die Hard. Or Quantum of Solace over Casino Royale. Many other examples exist in the above link.
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Old 09-08-2018, 02:15 PM
 
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Three examples off the top of my head are the first Mad Max, the first Evil Dead, and A Fistful of Dollars, not being as good as the sequels.
THE ROAD WARRIOR (a great movie) is superior to MAD MAX (dreck) in every way possible.

A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS is a great movie. But I agree that the two sequels are better. In fact, THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE UGLY is on the list for one of the best movies ever made. It's a masterpiece. Although … even though it was the third movie released, it is actually the first to take place chronologically in the story. The poncho scene makes that clear.


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Does the first three X-men movies count as a trilogy, and the rest that follow after, are spin offs, since they have different stories? If so, I would say that the first X-men is not as good as the two sequels either, which compliment the first more.
The first X-MEN movie was hampered by being a script that needed $150 million but was shot for $75 million. The low budget REALLY shows in a few scenes. I agree that X2 was a far better movie in every way. But X3? By far the worst in the entire series. In fact, I'd put X3 up there as one of the worst super hero movies to date. It was horribibble.

There are quite a few sequels that are better than their predecessors beyond the aforementioned ROAD WARRIOR. Off the top of my head …

THE DARK KNIGHT. Way better than the mediocre BATMAN BEGINS.

BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. Probably the best "classic" horror movie ever made. Far better than FRANKENSTEIN, which was not bad.

STAR TREK II: WRATH OF KHAN. Still the best ST movie.

SPIDER-MAN 2. Way better than the first.

Not sure LOGAN really qualifies as a sequel. But if you think of it as the third installment in the Wolverine series … there's really no contest. The first movie in that series was downright bad. The second was mediocre. LOGAN is awesome. Without a doubt the best of the X-Men movies. A super-hero classic.

SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Again, I'm not sure this really qualifies as a sequel for the movie. But it is kinda/sorta a sequel to the thoroughly mediocre MINDHUNTER.

I dearly love the first CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. But I think WINTER SOLDIER might actually be better.
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Old 09-08-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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Here is a great list showing sequels that far outperformed the original: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ce_improvement

Interesting list in that the original is often a better movie. I'm guessing the studio failed to properly market the original and made up for it the second time around.

Proper marketing of a movie has got to be a large part of a movies success.

For example, no way that Die Hard II is better than Die Hard. Or Quantum of Solace over Casino Royale. Many other examples exist in the above link.
The marketing may have been correct for what it was at the time, but word of mouth of a relatively successful movie made for easier marketing of the sequel.
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Old 09-08-2018, 02:45 PM
 
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Well as for that list, a lot of movies on there are not considered better than the original. For example, most fans of the first Rush Hour, think of the second one as inferior, or at least so I thought.

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The first X-MEN movie was hampered by being a script that needed $150 million but was shot for $75 million. The low budget REALLY shows in a few scenes. I agree that X2 was a far better movie in every way. But X3? By far the worst in the entire series. In fact, I'd put X3 up there as one of the worst super hero movies to date. It was horribibble.

There are quite a few sequels that are better than their predecessors beyond the aforementioned ROAD WARRIOR. Off the top of my head …

THE DARK KNIGHT. Way better than the mediocre BATMAN BEGINS.

BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN. Probably the best "classic" horror movie ever made. Far better than FRANKENSTEIN, which was not bad.

STAR TREK II: WRATH OF KHAN. Still the best ST movie.

SPIDER-MAN 2. Way better than the first.

Not sure LOGAN really qualifies as a sequel. But if you think of it as the third installment in the Wolverine series … there's really no contest. The first movie in that series was downright bad. The second was mediocre. LOGAN is awesome. Without a doubt the best of the X-Men movies. A super-hero classic.

SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Again, I'm not sure this really qualifies as a sequel for the movie. But it is kinda/sorta a sequel to the thoroughly mediocre MINDHUNTER.

I dearly love the first CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. But I think WINTER SOLDIER might actually be better.
But I don't think some of these suggestions count as the first one being the worst. For example, with Spider-man, most fans consider Spider-man 3 to be the worst in the series I thought, and not the first. Or with Frankenstein, most fans like the first one over the third, Son of Frankenstein.

And with The Dark Knight, I thought most fans still preferred Batman Begins to The Dark Knight Rises, and consider TDKR to be the least best, unless I am wrong?
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Old 09-08-2018, 11:46 PM
 
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I was going to say the Dark Knight Trilogy. Someone beat me to it.

Arguably the Living Dead films. I love them all, and DAY OF THE DEAD is generally regarded as the worst of the bunch, but NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD is terribly dated, whereas a generation of Walking Dead fans have re-discovered DAY... as the most modern and accessible. (Actually, cancel. I just remembered that Romero made like three more total stinkers).

I will argue against MAD MAX. The first was very gritty, and, in a way, realistic, whereas the third was all Hollywood. I have come to love them all, but as a kid, I loved MAD MAX and THE ROAD WARRIOR and did not care for BEYOND THUNDERDOME.

Maybe the THOR series? I haven't seen them all but a lot of people are saying Ragnorak is actually the best.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:07 AM
 
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El Mariachi (1992) clearly has the weakest production values of the trilogy (Desperado, Once Upon a Time in Mexico).
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Old 09-09-2018, 07:47 AM
 
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It’s not going to be easy to find examples of this, given that the first film has to be both good enough to spawn a sequel and worse than its franchise killer. That being said:

“The Rescuers Down Under” is light years better than “The Rescuers.”

Not that any of them are incredibly great, but of the three “Madagascar” animated films, the first of these is probably the worst. The second one is arguably the most watchable, though I wouldn’t consider it a must-see, either.

ColoGuy’s list shows sequels that made more money than the original, though there are quite a few of these sequels that I would consider aesthetically inferior to their less financially successful predecessor.
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Old 09-09-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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Oh okay. When it comes to the Dark Knight trilogy, I actually though that the third one was the least best perhaps, but still good.

I actually think Desperado is the weakest as it feels like a complete recycling of El Mariachi, with just the ending changed, but too much of a repeat.
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