Do you remember this movie called Barbarella? (history, watching, John Phillip Law)
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And did anybody actually see "Fritz the Cat?" Besides me, anyway, and I think the theater was otherwise empty that day. Wasn't as good as the comic as, I suspect, neither was "Barbarella."
I saw 'Fritz the Cat'........ Gawd, I would go watch anything in those days. I was in the army, and there was a triple screen theatre ten minutes walk from the camp. I saw films that many people won't even have heard of. Movies even the stars in them would like to forget!......
'Barbarella' was made 50 years ago. At the time I saw it, I really enjoyed it. I thought Jane gave a great performance. Seeing it again many years later on the telly, I still thought it was a real good fluff movie. But, I always liked Jane Fonda, and the films she made.
I agree with other comments on movies of that time. Hollywood, after the success of 'Easy Rider' didn't know what to make anymore to grab the audience, and handed the reins over to some real strange folks. Mike Sarne being given the director's seat for 'Myra Breckenridge' comes to mind. Just some real crazy movies getting made like 'Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.' Both those movies were made by 20th Century Fox, a major player then and now.
Stars who could pull in an audience grew in power, and directors became more powerful too. This was the time of the rise of people like Stanley Kubrick, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, and Sidney Lumet. Directors at that time, were not as well known by the general public as now. The only one with large public knowledge was Alfred Hitchcock, and much of that was because of his tv work.
One of the greatest directors ever, John Ford, didn't register in his prime, outside the Hollywood inner circle. The public liked his films, without knowing much about him at all, and he worked for 40 years. It was a strange time for sure movie wise.
The over-the-top male protagonists of movies of the time (think "James Bond") were asinine. "Barbarella" was a (foreign) counterculture snipe at that, showing a similarly cartoonish woman with enhanced sexuality, as a response. It was taken at the time as a jack-off film because of the utter stupidity and sexism of audiences in the U.S., which enhanced the "bottom line" of the movie. Even Fonda had issues and regrets, and there is insipidness in the film, but as a counterpoint to the BS that was going on with Bond bedding every attractive female, with more lining up for the next part? It needed to be said.
The only other movie of that ilk that I can think of (which also flew over the heads of most people) was "Fritz the Cat," which was a satire that also had heads shaking in disbelief.
As for those still stuck on "Hanoi Jane?" If you can't bother to read the full story, stuff it.
You can try and make me stuff it, but I would bet you never will succeed. I respect your brother if he served in 'Nam, but I do not respect you and I don't know you and hope I never know you.
And I have read the story and now I see even Jane felt betrayed by the commies...too bad Hanoi Jane, just proves your ignorance. But Hanoi Jane, like many famous people, always like to change their history to make it look like they were not the liars or traitors they were in real life. Similar to a certain Senator who had to change his story about being in 'Nam.
So, stay home and watch old Jane Fonda exercise videos and feel that you know Jane real well; or at least wish you could know Jane real well.
But until you have served in Combat, lost friends next to you as well as those who you grew up with and went to school with, your opinion of Hanoi Jane will remain your opinion, my opinion of
her is she was a traitor and needed to be tried and thrown in prison and no rewriting of history by her or her supporters will change my mind.
You can try and make me stuff it, but I would bet you never will succeed. I respect your brother if he served in 'Nam, but I do not respect you and I don't know you and hope I never know you.
And I have read the story and now I see even Jane felt betrayed by the commies...too bad Hanoi Jane, just proves your ignorance. But Hanoi Jane, like many famous people, always like to change their history to make it look like they were not the liars or traitors they were in real life. Similar to a certain Senator who had to change his story about being in 'Nam.
So, stay home and watch old Jane Fonda exercise videos and feel that you know Jane real well; or at least wish you could know Jane real well.
But until you have served in Combat, lost friends next to you as well as those who you grew up with and went to school with, your opinion of Hanoi Jane will remain your opinion, my opinion of
her is she was a traitor and needed to be tried and thrown in prison and no rewriting of history by her or her supporters will change my mind.
So goodbye Chickie PEE....
Just waiting for this post to be deleted....
*shrug* I don't view your post as a personal attack, as much as frustration, and you have a point of view you are trying to express. As for her being ignorant at the time? Yes. I'll fully agree with you on that. The response to that ignorance among some however, is more cartoonish than Barbarella. That complaint is more appropriate for discussion in politics or possibly the history forum.
I watched Barbarella around 5 years ago just because I had heard of it, the famous machine scene but didn't really know what it was about. It was sort of interesting as a....looking back? sort of movie? What got eyebrows going back then.
I do remember seeing Fritz the cat when I was 18 or 19. I don't remember much about it other than being shocked to the point of feeling like someone had punched me in the gut. It was quite pornographic. Women never fare well in porn is an understatment.
30 years Air Force, brother in law in Vietnam. Read snopes, looked for my own info, read her description of how it went down, listened to her apologies. There were Vietnam vets that were against the war that she marched with. Not sure they get the same hate? Each to his own, I can see not liking her but the bitterness, hate blah blah. Just not informed. Hating JF seems more like the whole tribal thing right wingers get so caught up in.
I watched Barbarella around 5 years ago just because I had heard of it, the famous machine scene but didn't really know what it was about. It was sort of interesting as a....looking back? sort of movie? What got eyebrows going back then.
I do remember seeing Fritz the cat when I was 18 or 19. I don't remember much about it other than being shocked to the point of feeling like someone had punched me in the gut. It was quite pornographic. Women never fare well in porn is an understatment.
30 years Air Force, brother in law in Vietnam. Read snopes, looked for my own info, read her description of how it went down, listened to her apologies. There were Vietnam vets that were against the war that she marched with. Not sure they get the same hate? Each to his own, I can see not liking her but the bitterness, hate blah blah. Just not informed. Hating JF seems more like the whole tribal thing right wingers get so caught up in.
Is this a joke? I'd respond but this is the movie forum. Vietnam was Johnson's baby according to my dozens of sources. I'd love to debate this in the political forum - not here.
I'm not pro-Vietnam by any stretch of the imagination. But I do believe we should respect those who paid the price for service to their country. Absolutely everybody makes a periodic "bad call".
I was of age to report to the draft in 68. I was classified 4F because of my hearing impairment. My friends went to nam war and a lot didn't come home.
Yeah, it's on TV a lot. I don't happen to like it, but it was apparently very meaningful for a lot of young men at the time.
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Gawd, I would go watch anything in those days. I was in the army, and there was a triple screen theatre ten minutes walk from the camp. I saw films that many people won't even have heard of. Movies even the stars in them would like to forget!......
