Wonder Woman 1984

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

I don't rant, I counter/refute.

You say potayto, I say potahto.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

I do think it stems from your having been mainly a Marvel Zombie, I mean reader.

I was really only a Marvel Snob in junior high. Once I started reading comics again as an adult, I read just as much if not more DC than anything --- mostly the various Batman comics of the time, but I did try to venture beyond now and then (without much success).

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

All I say is that First Class and Logan are great/excellent, and everything else follows. Pretty sure you agree. In fact, I'll add that Logan is arguably better than anything the MCU has produced.

Agreed. I think I liked X2 more than you did, and I hated Dark Phoenix.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

The studio outright said DC was going to be "the dark alternative" to what Marvel was doing (and I was onboard from the get-go).

I don't get the impression anyone involved knew what "dark" meant or how to do it properly, especially Zack Snyder. You can do a dark Superman story, but if you try to make Superman dark, you've broken the character. The same may be true of Wonder Woman. But the problem is more fundamental than that. "Dark" doesn't simply mean "ultra-violent with lots of smoke and explosions." That's not dark. That's just loud.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

Making every movie follow "the Marvel method" is a horrible strategy.

It is.

Which is why I am convinced the people in charge of these characters don't really understand the fundamental differences between Marvel and DC:

DC is classical myth. Their heroes are icons. They are archetypes. Superman is Superman. Clark Kent is the disguise. Wonder Woman is Wonder Woman. Diana Prince is the disguise. Batman is Batman. Bruce Wayne is the disguise.

Marvel is Shakespeare. It's more about the human drama under the masks and helmets. Daredevil isn't all that interesting, but Matt Murdock is. Same with Peter Parker. And Tony Stark.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

Shazam! was produced by New Line and what we got was what was conceived, as far as I know.

I actually liked the Shazam! movie, though I don't think it fits well with any of the other DC movies. It ought to be its own thing. If Batman ever makes an appearance in that franchise, it ought to be the Adam West Batman.

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

The writing and characterization in many of the films, starting way back with Iron Man 2, has been really off-putting at times. It makes me wince.

Yup. When Favreau was booted out in favor of Whedon, things took an unfortunate dive.

[AFtrEFkt]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

I hated Dark Phoenix.

I could've sworn you said you liked it, and that it was "much better than" Apocalypse.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by AFtrEFkt

I could've sworn you said you liked it, and that it was "much better than" Apocalypse.

Well, it was better than Apocalypse, but since Apocalypse was the second-worst installment in the X-movies, that's not saying much.

[Lancerman]

Originally Posted by Sammy00

By the way I’ve just watched Wonder Woman 1984. I’m disappointed, the first part (2017) was much cooler, more emotional and touching. The beginning of the film is incredibly prolonged, the plot, more or less, begins to spin only after 40 minutes. As for epic scenes, fights, etc., there will be ONLY THREE of them in all 2.5 hours! This is probably why I was very bored watching this film, so I wanted to press rewind in order to quickly start looking at something dynamic. The first significant and exciting event comes only after 80 minutes of the film !!! Therefore, I did not like it.

I think it's about 10 minutes longer than it should be given the fewer action sequences compared to the original. There were four notable action scenes the mall, the road, the palace and the island.