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Old 03-26-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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As odd as it is, aside from a couple genres such as dubstep we essentially have the same styles of popular music we had 20 years ago. This is my theory as to why:

1) Gentrification of cities

After the Cold War ended, there was a backlash against anything remotely socialistic. This included price controls on housing in big cities such as New York. This kicking out of the poor was sold to the public because crime was very bad at this time (late 80s/early 90s). This caused major cities that were breeding grounds for music scenes to turn into gated communities for the world's rich, forcing the artists to leave. As a result we haven't seen any big scenes start in any major cities in America/the West since the early 90s with only a few exceptions.

2) Telecommunications Act of '96 and other monopolies

This backlash against socialism also allowed companies to buy out all the radio stations. This made it so that the same kinds of music, in fact in many cases the exact same programming, was broadcasted all over the United States. Not only that but the stations became more niche-oriented, in the 80s and before generally speaking all stations would play a mix of all kinds of music, but starting in the 90s you had classic rock, country, pop, etc, dividing people by their tastes, whether they're urban or rural people, their race, their generation, etc. This made any kind of change in music happen only within genres on a micro-level as people came to identify strongly with a certain style.

3) The Internet

In theory, the Internet could have been the ultimate boon to musical creativity. In reality, it's been the exact opposite. While anyone can now share and publish their music online, they're competing with millions of other aspiring artists. And even if you do score a hit - so what? The pie is so much more divided now, that you can get a #1 song and it won't even make you famous. Who would be able to recognize the faces of the Shop Boyz, who had a hit in 2007? Probably almost nobody.

The other thing is people can get any music they want for free now, so the sales potential is now very limited. Thus, record labels can't afford to take risks with 'weird' music, they have to play it safe. This is why Rihanna and Katy Perry have maintained successful careers for so long despite having very little talent or charisma. They know that pop genericum sang by attractive women will make them money. This is also why post-grunge Pearl Jam knockoffs were still being pushed as late as 2010. That's like if disco was still popular in 1990, or kids were still listening to surf music in 1970.
Yes I agree. I'm 20 years old now but so many people my age do not agree with me. Music (and fashion) just changed quicker and evolved more before the 1990s. There is also way too much emphasis on "retro" stuff today. Recycled stuff.

The golden age for music evolving was probably the 1950s,60s,70s, and 80s.
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:28 AM
 
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Well tell me this, where does it have to evolve? As the world got smaller (with technology and more access to music) music evolved quicker. Bands from the 60's, 70's, etc. Started using all sorts of genres and mixing them together. The Grateful Dead are a prime example. They fused rock'n'roll, traditional folk, bluegrass, latin music, indian music, middle eastern music, country, jazz. Where do you go from there? Sure there's "evolution" just for the sake of it, like metal getting heavier and heavier, or electronic music, but at what cost? That stuff sounds like garbage. I'd rather take a tube amp, some analog pedals, and a telecaster and draw from classic american music and world music from Latin America, Asia, and Africa.
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Old 03-27-2015, 12:17 PM
 
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I perked up when I saw this thread. I appreciate the theories.

I started thinking about this 10-12 years ago as I was waiting for the Next Big Thing. I had noticed that each decade brought at least one significant genre. The "oldies" of the 50's came before folk/etc from the 60's, which came before "classic rock" in the 70's. The 80's brought new wave and hair bands. Grunge exploded in the early 90's, just as producers of rave music were abusing their synths and our ears.

The Next Big Thing never happened. Even advancements in electronic music production slowed after a while. All this isn't a complaint; just a curiosity.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Music today seems to just have stopped evolving. I live in NYC and the music scene here is growing insaner by the day. Everyone who picks up a guitar or a 5 key keyboard thinks of themselves as some kind of artist. I can guarantee you any band claiming to be avant garde is just bad.

As much as people bash the big ol bad record companies, they sort of acted like gatekeepers back in the old day. Today, anyone can post a song online and everyone thinks their work is a piece of genius. The royalties are almost non existant today and with illegal downloading, most musicians cant make as much as they used to. The profit motive is gone so people are forgoing innovation and originality so they can write something "pop friendly" to make quick cash.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:40 PM
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Music today seems to just have stopped evolving. I live in NYC and the music scene here is growing insaner by the day. Everyone who picks up a guitar or a 5 key keyboard thinks of themselves as some kind of artist. I can guarantee you any band claiming to be avant garde is just bad.
This, in itself, is a form of musical evolution.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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I think the potential for something new is simply getting smaller and smaller because of all the music that has already been made. Like with everything in life, there are only so many possible melodies, harmonies, rhythms, instruments, synth sounds, etc.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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This, in itself, is a form of musical evolution.
Yes but there is a lack of furthering skills or objectively looking at something you wrote and saying: This is terrible, I need to get better.

Here in NYC, we have a terrible electro-hipster music scene and every one of the songs is just terrible. Its like eating a bad sandwich. Everyone spends 10 minutes on fruity loops and assumes they just put out some piece of art.
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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Here in NYC, we have a terrible electro-hipster music scene
Let me guess. Brooklyn.
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:49 PM
 
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Let me guess. Brooklyn.
Reporting from Williamsburg itself.

My first year here, I picked up "THe Deli" magazine or zine or whichever is less conformist. They had their list of 100 best bands of 2014 or 2013, i dont remember. I tried to go through and listen to them all but by the 15th band, I gave up. Terrible, terrible stuff. It is almost as if nobody here has ever been told theyre terrible in their life. But who knows, maybe having grooves and hooks and riffs is too conformist
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Old 03-28-2015, 10:57 PM
 
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So in short, I blame the decline in music evolution and creativity on two things, that happened in the 90's ... the rise of the Internet and the fall of communism.
Music today is different from 20 years ago bc instead of it being organically created by individual bands with their own style and sound, it is mass produced for you courtesy of the music industry who has studied what you like and how to create generic hits.

Once in a while a real individual will sneak by, but most of it is drek thrown together for you by the big companies.
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