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Old 01-10-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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Not that I didn't have my issues with 90's rap(too many people jumping on the gangsta gotta be hard bandwagon making the music more predictible). But one thing I like about the 90's were the regional sounds. Every region back then had a particular sound or feel to their music. This kept the music overall from sounding the same. Today so much of the rap I'm hearing sounds like they are all working with the same producer.
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Old 01-11-2019, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Kapolei,Hawai'i
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Music blaring from cars has always sounded terrible. Don't blame hip hop.
Not all music from cars sounds terrible.

I heard stuff like this being blared one time in Las Vegas when i was on vacation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_2IdybTV0

I wish they would blare stuff like this from cars,instead of rap.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up1xZz0B_98

Just because rap is popular,doesn't mean everyone wants to hear the music.
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Old Today, 06:54 AM
 
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Here is what I don't get, and it's a true laugh...

People complain about hip hop being so vulgar and "vile"---to use a quote from this thread---and unlistenable, but are vulgar in their every day language, watch and/or listen to other pieces of art that contain vulgarities, and surround themselves with friends/family/loved ones that could be considered vulgar or disgusting individuals...

If you like and share dirty jokes, don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop. If you like and share other pieces of art that are "mature", don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop. If you're a person (and many of you know you are) who uses profanities, surrounds yourself willingly with people who use profanities, and/or use other terms that are not in good taste or "respectable"....don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop...

The hypocrisy is annoying. You are allowed to not like the art, and all of the art isn't good. There's no way I'm buying that of the guys who speak up about "garbage" and "trash" on a "vile" take, all of these people lack vulgarities in their personal life. Leave that part out of it...
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Old Today, 08:57 AM
 
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Music appreciation is almost completely subjective. I have listened to pretty much everything over my life, classical, jazz, blues, bluegrass, country, rock, metal, Japanese shakuhachi, you name it. Rap is the one genre that I just seem to find categorically devoid of musicality. To each their own.
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Old Today, 10:22 AM
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Here is what I don't get, and it's a true laugh...

People complain about hip hop being so vulgar and "vile"---to use a quote from this thread---and unlistenable, but are vulgar in their every day language, watch and/or listen to other pieces of art that contain vulgarities, and surround themselves with friends/family/loved ones that could be considered vulgar or disgusting individuals...

If you like and share dirty jokes, don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop. If you like and share other pieces of art that are "mature", don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop. If you're a person (and many of you know you are) who uses profanities, surrounds yourself willingly with people who use profanities, and/or use other terms that are not in good taste or "respectable"....don't complain about vulgarities in hip hop...

The hypocrisy is annoying. You are allowed to not like the art, and all of the art isn't good. There's no way I'm buying that of the guys who speak up about "garbage" and "trash" on a "vile" take, all of these people lack vulgarities in their personal life. Leave that part out of it...
I mostly agree with you and I think the outrage is disingenuous, but there are some major differences between a rap recording and a person throwing curse word into casual conversation: Most people who use profanity are pretty discreet about it. They use it around their friends, but they know how to turn it off in public or at work. Also, there's a big difference between someone saying "F You A-Hole" when someone cuts them off in traffic, and using similar types of words to demean women, or boast about criminal activities they've committed, which is excessively common in rap music. Additionally, it's extremely common to hear rap music very loudly in public. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who uses curse words at home or at a bar to be opposed to hearing that kind of talk on the subway on the way to work or when they're trying to walk their kids home from school.

I don't think people are offended by the language, but rather they feel like there's a time and place for just about everything and rap music (or perhaps more accurately, listeners of rap music) doesn't respect that concept.
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Old Today, 11:31 AM
 
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I mostly agree with you and I think the outrage is disingenuous, but there are some major differences between a rap recording and a person throwing curse word into casual conversation: Most people who use profanity are pretty discreet about it. They use it around their friends, but they know how to turn it off in public or at work. Also, there's a big difference between someone saying "F You A-Hole" when someone cuts them off in traffic, and using similar types of words to demean women, or boast about criminal activities they've committed, which is excessively common in rap music. Additionally, it's extremely common to hear rap music very loudly in public. I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who uses curse words at home or at a bar to be opposed to hearing that kind of talk on the subway on the way to work or when they're trying to walk their kids home from school.

I don't think people are offended by the language, but rather they feel like there's a time and place for just about everything and rap music (or perhaps more accurately, listeners of rap music) doesn't respect that concept.
I can understanding point of view here, but a couple things:

•I live in Virginia Beach and rarely hear loud rap from cars. Last time I can recall is on New Years Eve/New Years. Granted, it isn't uncommon, but it definitely isn't an all the time thing. I think it's being exaggerated here. And when the weather breaks, as this is a tourist destination, it is common to hear all kinds of music blasting from cars...

•I can understand the point about being discreet with your language. I think that shades the point that hip hop is entertainment, and entertainment is not discreet typically. People like to watch their porn discreetly, but the business of pornography isn't discreet (just to use another example). Entertainment is meant to be shared and maybe that's a negative, but that's kind of how it is...

I think the underlayer that many people know but won't admit, is that hip hop is still looked at as "black music". If the genre was created and popularized by White America and became as big as it's gotten, there would be nowhere near the rebuttal; to be clear, there will always be opposition to anything, but the loudness of the uproar would not be where it is at. It's very telling of the deeply ingrained race relations in this country...

That's a viewpoint that may make some people uncomfortable and bring all sorts of denial...

Again, I can listen to an argument that people would rather others not publicize their vulgarities, but my response would be we, as a society, publish that same vulgarities for public display in movies, television, novels, graphic comics, strip clubs, paintings and still art. We don't want to be exposed for language with hip hop, but we travel en masse to view other art forms that display what hip hop talks about. We want to be as nasty and vile and disrespectful and unbecoming as they can be when they are around people like them and in their comfort zone---->but when the same type of behavior is displayed by people "unlike yourself", there's outrage? Let's call it what it is, this is at least part of the story...

I certainly have no issue with people who don't like hip hop. 100% believe there is nothing wrong with that. When the justifications for not liking hip hop beer into "vile" and "trash" territory, I DO have a problem with that. There are many reasons not to like the art, that damn sure isn't really one of them...

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Old Today, 12:16 PM
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I can understanding point of view here, but a couple things:

I live in Virginia Beach and rarely hear loud rap from cars. Last time I can recall is on New Years Eve/New Years. Granted, it isn't uncommon, but it definitely isn't an all the time thing. I think it's being exaggerated here. And when the weather breaks, as this is a tourist destination, it is common to hear all kinds of music blasting from cars...

•I can understand the point about being discreet with your language. I think that shades the point that hip hop is entertainment, and entertainment is not discreet typically. People like to watch their porn discreetly, but the business of pornography isn't discreet (just to use another example). Entertainment is meant to be shared and maybe that's a negative, but that's kind of how it is...

I think the underlayer that many people know but won't admit, is that hip hop is still looked at as "black music". If the genre was created and popularized by White America and became as big as it's gotten, there would be nowhere near the rebuttal; to be clear, there will always be opposition to anything, but the loudness of the uproar would not be where it is at. It's very telling of the deeply ingrained race relations in this country...

That's a viewpoint that may make some people uncomfortable and bring all sorts of denial...

Again, I can listen to an argument that people would rather others not publicize their vulgarities, but my response would be we, as a society, publish that same vulgarities for public display in movies, television, novels, graphic comics, strip clubs, paintings and still art. We don't want to be exposed for language with hip hop, but we travel en masse to view other art forms that display what hip hop talks about. We want to be as nasty and vile and disrespectful and unbecoming as they can be when they are around people like them and in their comfort zone---->but when the same type of behavior is displayed by people "unlike yourself", there's outrage? Let's call it what it is, this is at least part of the story...

I certainly have no issue with people who don't like hip hop. 100% believe there is nothing wrong with that. When the justifications for not liking hip hop beer into "vile" and "trash" territory, I DO have a problem with that. There are many reasons not to like the art, that damn sure isn't really one of them...
I live in Atlanta, and I hear it from cars just about every time I go anywhere. I hear it in my house when cars go by. I hear it out the window of my office. I hear it on the subway on the way to work all the time. I hear people rapping along to what they hear on their headphones all the time, and in this case, it's ALWAYS the dirty stuff. Granted, Atlanta is a heavily hip-hop oriented city, so my experience is probably more extreme than people from other cities.

As to your point about movies and other forms of entertainment, the difference there is that people go to those things voluntarily. They don't have it thrust upon them as background noise when they're just trying to go about their day.

I totally agree that race is huge part of the reason rap is criticized more than other genres of music. But that doesn't mean there aren't legitimate criticisms to be made.
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Old Today, 01:40 PM
 
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I live in Atlanta, and I hear it from cars just about every time I go anywhere. I hear it in my house when cars go by. I hear it out the window of my office. I hear it on the subway on the way to work all the time. I hear people rapping along to what they hear on their headphones all the time, and in this case, it's ALWAYS the dirty stuff. Granted, Atlanta is a heavily hip-hop oriented city, so my experience is probably more extreme than people from other cities.

As to your point about movies and other forms of entertainment, the difference there is that people go to those things voluntarily. They don't have it thrust upon them as background noise when they're just trying to go about their day.

I totally agree that race is huge part of the reason rap is criticized more than other genres of music. But that doesn't mean there aren't legitimate criticisms to be made.
These (vulgarities, people playing in public) arent legitimate criticisms to me. People display their political beliefs in public without warrant; where is the outrage? People display their affection for each other in public, where is the outrage? We can keep going here, while everything has some level of opposition to it, race plays more than a small factor in the opposition to hip hop than anything else...

The irony is that hip hop has united race, class, and culture more broadly than any other music ever. Those who oppose are in the clear minority...

But maybe it's just the nature of hip hop, then. I really have no explanation for why so many people find it appealing to play their hip hop loudly in public. I still think it's a strange complaint to have. It's their music to play, if someone is playing it, it passes through your ears for how long? Then it's gone...its the most popular music not only nationally, but globally. Many people across many demographics find it appealing, and maybe part of its appeal is that more than any other music, you want to play it loudly in public? I really don't have an explanation for that. I'm not a fan of the loud and obnoxious playing of it either, but it isn't that hard to tune out...

But then I'm a hip hop fan, I can assume for someone who isn't a fan of the music, maybe they are more sensitive to its play?

I maintain that if the criticism centers on its vulgarities, as was intimated in this thread--and as you inferred, not all hip hop is vulgar--, then it's a losing complaint unless one lives their life void of both vulgarities themselves, and void of keeping the company of people who indulge in vulgarities. It really is kinda obsolete if people choose to be turned off by hearing obscene music involuntarily. To use another example, a lot of people are turned off by PDA--they feel it is for private and they don't do to the store, the park, the movies, etc, to watch you and your S.O. smooching and cuddling. It still would be a ridiculous criticism to have, people are allowed to display their affection for each other if they choose, the same way they can display their affection for music of their choice...
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