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Old 10-15-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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Kraftwerk nominated for the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame? Tangerine Dream was the real pioneer of progressive "new age" music. There is a misconception the Kraftwerk came first. TD started three years sooner.

And was far better...


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Old 10-15-2019, 12:44 PM
 
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I agree 100%. I've always been a a big fan of TD. I wouldn't look at the RRHOF to doing the popular/right thing. They are a joke. Edgar Froese passed away a few years ago. He was the driving force behind TD. They are still release albums though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Dream
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Old 10-15-2019, 12:50 PM
 
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I agree 100%. I've always been a a big fan of TD. I wouldn't look at the RRHOF to doing the popular/right thing. They are a joke. Edgar Froese passed away a few years ago. He was the driving force behind TD. Sadly, I think TD is gone as well. On the bright side is that they have tons of work already out for us to fall back on.
If it wasn't for TD, Patrick O'Hearn might have continued playing pop crappola like Missing Persons instead of being one of the greatest "new age" artists of a generation as well.


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Old 10-15-2019, 06:54 PM
 
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I don't think you can really compare the two bands. I like both of them, but Kraftwerk seems more part of the rock music world than TD.

TD is more New Age. In fact that is how their music is classified.

Kraftwerk is classified as rock/pop. (End of discussion)
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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"Kraftwerk?"
yeah, them.
"What about Tangerine Dream??"
did not care or did not pay to play.
payola did not go away.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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I don't think you can really compare the two bands. I like both of them, but Kraftwerk seems more part of the rock music world than TD.

TD is more New Age. In fact that is how their music is classified.

Kraftwerk is classified as rock/pop. (End of discussion)
In the context of the RRHOF, the classification does not seem to matter, does it?

Whitney Houston may be pop but she's not rock, neither are some of the rap artists that have been inducted.

TD does have some songs I would classify as rock and they even use guitars, not just synthesizers. They don't do vocals however, they may have a song or two but the majority are instrumentals.

Overall though, they are relatively obscure, not well known enough. Kraftwerk is NOT rock in my opinion, that doesn't seem to matter to the RRHOF.
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Old 10-16-2019, 11:17 AM
 
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Sometimes groups that are in the middle of a new music period are selected to be the best representation of that genre. There was Tubular bells, Mannheim Steam roller, and maybe even Trapezoid on the acoustic side. It was an amazing era 67-75. The advancements in electronic music and recording technology drew a type of musician to "rock " music who would never considered it before.

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Old 10-17-2019, 09:44 PM
 
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Tangerine Dream is a popular band. Kraftwerk shouldn't be allowed to exist.
That's just crazy!

What about the fact that TD suddenly tried to go pop as soon as Kraftwerk started getting popular?
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Old 10-21-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraftwerk

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According to music journalist Neil McCormick, Kraftwerk might be "the most influential group in pop history".[4] NME wrote: "'The Beatles and Kraftwerk' may not have the ring of 'the Beatles and the Stones', but nonetheless, these are the two most important bands in music history".[19] AllMusic wrote that their music "resonates in virtually every new development to impact the contemporary pop scene of the late 20th century".[5]

Kraftwerk's musical style and image can be heard and seen in 1980s synthpop groups such as Gary Numan, Ultravox, John Foxx, Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, Human League, Depeche Mode, Visage, and Soft Cell.[61][19][62] Kraftwerk would also go on to influence other forms of music such as hip hop, house, and drum and bass, and they are also regarded as pioneers of the electro genre.

David Bowie's "V-2 Schneider", from the 1977's Heroes album, was a tribute to Florian Schneider.[71] Post-punk bands Joy Division and New Order were heavily influenced by the band. Joy Division frontman Ian Curtis was a fan, and showed his colleagues records that would influence their music.[72] New Order also would sample "Uranium" in its biggest hit "Blue Monday".[73] Siouxsie and the Banshees recorded a cover of "Hall of Mirrors" on their 1987 album Through the Looking Glass which was lauded by Ralf Hütter: "In general, we consider cover versions as an appreciation of our work. The version of "Hall of Mirrors" by Siouxsie and the Banshees is extraordinary, just like the arrangements of Alexander Bălănescu for his Bălănescu Quartet release [of Possessed, 1992]. We also like the album El Baile Alemán of Señor Coconut a lot."[74] Members of Blondie have admitted on several occasions that Kraftwerk were an important reference for their sound by the time they were working on their third album Parallel Lines. The worldwide hit "Heart of Glass" turned radically from an initial reggae-flavoured style to its distinctive electronic sound in order to imitate the technological approach of Kraftwerk's albums and adapt it to a disco concept.[75] U2 recorded a cover version of "Neon Lights" as did Simple Minds
They definitely belong in the Hall of Fame. The bands in the last paragraph undoubtedly fall into the "Rock" category.



(Ever hear the Neil Young album, Trans, that sounds like Kraftwerk?)


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Old 10-22-2019, 08:28 PM
 
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Except it's not New Age. That's how historical revisionism starts. File under Electronic Music. Mannheim Steamroller is New Age. Shadowfax is New Age.

Team Zappa did their best work under Missing Persons and UK.

Autobahn still stands up today. Listened to it again mere months ago. Can't listen to any other Kraftwerk.

Did Tangerine Dream do anything other than Stratosfear? It's kind of, okay, does it end or does it just keep going?

Synergy. Sequencer. Cords.

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