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man, now i think you're just hating on MF Doom. Lighten up and grow a sense of humor or something...and i'm not much of a fan of him or anything.
As far as Jay-Z goes i think he's overrated as hell too, but a pretty good rapper at the same time.
What's funny though is you keep talking crap about backpackers, and then you recommend Jedi Mind Tricks. You know who 80% of Jedi Mind Tricks' fans are? Backpackers.
hate is the correct word as he is complete utter trash.
jedi mind tricks may be liked by "80%" of backpacker nerds but i dont base the quality of music on what group of people listen to them. i know for a fact that JMT >>> anything mf doom has ever or will ever create. stoupe's production is also better, and fat ass vinnie paz has put out much better material than lame doom. (though i will admit its getting kind of played out now and jmt was much better like 10 yrs ago)
and jay-z being overrated is something of the result of group think.. most people who make say that have no basis for their claims. i don't think he's the best ever by any stretch of the imagination but the last 10 years nobody's been close to him. by far some of the wittiest things ever said in rap have come out of his camel mouth.
but yea, for the record... mf doom= garbage.
hate is the correct word as he is complete utter trash.
jedi mind tricks may be liked by "80%" of backpacker nerds but i dont base the quality of music on what group of people listen to them. i know for a fact that JMT >>> anything mf doom has ever or will ever create. stoupe's production is also better, and fat ass vinnie paz has put out much better material than lame doom. (though i will admit its getting kind of played out now and jmt was much better like 10 yrs ago)
and jay-z being overrated is something of the result of group think.. most people who make say that have no basis for their claims. i don't think he's the best ever by any stretch of the imagination but the last 10 years nobody's been close to him. by far some of the wittiest things ever said in rap have come out of his camel mouth.
but yea, for the record... mf doom= garbage.
and jay-z being overrated is something of the result of group think.. most people who make say that have no basis for their claims. i don't think he's the best ever by any stretch of the imagination but the last 10 years nobody's been close to him.
I definitely have basis for my claims regarding Jay-Z...formed on my own, with no "group think" involved. I bought reasonable doubt and Hardknock Life when they came out, and listened to them countless times. I've been very aware of his stuff through the massive radio play he's gotten over the past decade too. His new stuff, while mostly good in my opinion, doesn't compare to alot of his old stuff, and in addition the amount of followers he has for his talent-level is staggering (he's nothing that special). He is a good rapper...good lyrics, good flow, but to say that NO other rapper in the past 10 years has been close to Jay-Z is pretty ridiculous. You're either a giant Jay-Z fan boy, you need to listen to more music, or you equate ultimate skill with the amount of money one makes (Jay-Z is one rich ass, famous ass dude these days..no hip-hop artist can touch him when it comes to stacks of cash, probably).
LOL Jedi Mind Tricks....Celph Titled....Nonphixion.....Immortal Technique...Dilated Peoples....all wack beyond comprehension.
says the man that listens to mf doom who sounds like he has a phallus lodged in his mouth while rapping
"great googly moogly, what a loogy, keep it on the dl hughley"
^LMAO, wtf is that garbage
I definitely have basis for my claims regarding Jay-Z...formed on my own, with no "group think" involved. I bought reasonable doubt and Hardknock Life when they came out, and listened to them countless times. I've been very aware of his stuff through the massive radio play he's gotten over the past decade too. His new stuff, while mostly good in my opinion, doesn't compare to alot of his old stuff, and in addition the amount of followers he has for his talent-level is staggering (he's nothing that special). He is a good rapper...good lyrics, good flow, but to say that NO other rapper in the past 10 years has been close to Jay-Z is pretty ridiculous. You're either a giant Jay-Z fan boy, you need to listen to more music, or you equate ultimate skill with the amount of money one makes (Jay-Z is one rich ass, famous ass dude these days..no hip-hop artist can touch him when it comes to stacks of cash, probably).
uh, who doesn't that apply to(in bold)? is nas's new music as good as his first? scarface? snoop? eminem? mobb deep? ice cube? was nas' hip hop is dead equally good as illmatic or it was written? pointless and obvious observation.
if im wrong name 1 rapper who's been as consistent as jayz since he dropped the blueprint in 01 or whatever.. definitely not nas, and people sweat him like he's the greatest thing ever. andre 3000 is another clown who people sweat for some reason, yet all he is, is 1/2 of outkast and his solo work is gay.. id say literally gay, wearing pink bell bottoms and glitter dressing up like pocahontas, singing.
like i said before, jay-z isn't one of my favorite artists but u cant deny this dude... he's been the most copied artist of the last decade and the most influential hands down.. he has a different delivery for like every song he makes, from "my first song" to "run this town", u see him reinventing the way he rhymes.
and i aint even mention his lyrics, which speak for themselves
"I father, I Brooklyn Dodger them
I Jack, I Rob, I Sin
Amen
I'm Jackie Robinson
'cept when I run base
I dodge the pen"
^disgusting. lol tell me who's rhyme schemes are even remotely as complex as jay-z's man... double even triple entendres in a matter of lines. rappers on some corny punchline sht, jayz's been goin over dude's heads for years now. YEARS, n ppl wanna tell me he's "average" lol.
Vast Aire fell off but he has better word play than Jay.
"I rest my head on 115th
But miracles only happen on 34th, so I guess life is mean
And death is the median
And purgatory is the mode that we settle in"
^lol no he doesnt. the lines u quoted at best has that play on words regarding the "miracle on 34th street"
jay-z has a double entendre along with the play on words.
"I Jack, I Rob, I Sin
I'm Jackie Robinson
'cept when I run base
I dodge the pen"
just in these 2 lines alone... thats a witty ass mother fer... and he dont write his stuff... its fken crazy
here's another
"Get your weight up
not your hate up
***** man is diesel
when i lift the eight up"
^off "Breathe Easy"... if u dont know how nasty those 2 lines are, then this discussion isnt worth having.
On the other hand, Biggie's dark G-Funk style and haunting imagery were so much better than Pac's that it isn't even funny.
And I do say one thing. Tupac spoke a lot about equality and all that and treating women right, but really most of his stuff was your typical misogynistic gangsta rap. Hell, wasn't he even accused of sexual assault at one point? See, he sang about one thing, but he actually acted like another. Biggie Smalls never rapped about anything he wasn't. He loved women, he loved blunts, he loved Lexuses and Benzes the fly way, and that's what he sang about. He didn't try to pose or be anything he wasn't.
Although of course there are those who say that he wasn't legit thug or that he sent people to kill Pac and then bragged about it in "Who Shot Ya" only Pac didn't die. I don't know about that, and I don't think we ever will. But yeah, Biggie Smalls for the win.
This is BS. Pac rapped about ghetto life and being a thug b/c he was living that lifestyle and grew up dirt poor in projects with a crack-addicted mother. And he was accurate in what he claimed and new better than to claim to be a gang member when he wasn't, unlike posers nowadays like Lil Wayne.
Biggie rapped about being a "don" and told fairytales of being a mafia member and always made things out like he came from as rough and real a background as Pac did, when in actuality he didn't really come from Bed-Stuy (he came from Clinton Hill, an adjacent neighborhood) and he went to a private school. BIG posed as a legit thug when he was far from it, while Pac backed up the things he said. That's why so many people were feeling what Pac had to say; cause it was real. You got the two of them backwards in your assessment.
Pac was originally on more of a black power tip than anything else and rapped about everything he felt strongly about. But you're forgetting that "I Get Around" was on the same album as "Keep Ya Head Up." He was never faking anything. He always loved running through women, but that didn't mean he had no respect for all women.
Growing up, Pac tried to stay out of the trouble that surrounded him for the most part b/c he was an exceptionally smart dude. But that was the lifestyle he was raised around, so it was always in him. He just favored revolution seeing as he grew up around Black Panthers. But eventually he began to descend more and more into that thuggish lifestyle and he became darker and more disturbed. So his material changed as his career progressed. There was a lot more to him than there was to Biggie. Biggie completely chose to engage in crime and emulate that lifestyle, while Pac tried to avoid it and eventually succumbed to it.
And Pac's accusation was more bogus than Kobe's was. He didn't rape anybody. He never would have needed to. If anything Biggie would've probably had to if he couldn't rap b/c there's no way that heavy-breathing, cockeyed, fat lump would've been able to pull any females otherwise. And how do you figure Biggie's style was "G-funk" at all? G-funk is a West Coast concept, and it is far from what Biggie did.
Don't get me wrong, I still liked Biggie too. But when it comes to who was real and who was fake out of them two, Pac was the reality and Biggie was the fantasy.
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Well, we have no way of knowing that! But yeah, that's why I also said that Biggie was better for form, whereas Pac was better for content.
This I'll agree with.
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And really both of them had considerable content of life in the ghetto, etc. etc. In fact if you really wanna get technical about it, we can't even be too sure of what either of their lives were like growing up, so we don't really know if everything Pac spoke about was a fact or fiction.
But we know that much of what Biggie spoke about WAS fiction. Dude was a poser who had a cushy upbringing compared to Pac's.
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I just hate how the two fo them used to be good friends and ended up bitter enemies. With Pac's lyrics and Biggie's style, they could have been like the greatest rap duo of all time. OF ALL TIME.
Agreed.
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But yeah, that's why I also said that Biggie was better for form, whereas Pac was better for content.
