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not going to say the birth of hip hop because it came from one place nyc.
but hip hop is more richer on the eastcoast then the west, and it seems as if the westcoast hiphop culture has lost its flavor. Eastcoast no matter how low or high it is they keep their style.
Kendrick lamar is one guy from the west coast i admire alot. The west coast need a lot of main stream guys like him.
lol what? Did you manage to sleep through the era of NYC imitating the South after relentlessly trashing it? Did you hear Jadakiss's last mixtape? Did you not notice who the current biggest NYC rapper's biggest influence is (Houston)? lol mainstream NYC hasn't "kept its style" since Dipset and G Unit were relevant.
NYC's underground scene has though. Roc Marciano, Ka, Vado, etc. are keeping real New York rap alive... they're few and far in-between though. Not that I have anything against A$AP Rocky - I like his music - but his music doesn't really fall under the kind of east coast rap anybody on this thread is talking about.
I don't get people who say Tupac's the best rapper to ever live...when clearly Biggie is...
I don't get how people say Biggie is the best ever when he clearly highjacked Raekwon and Ghostface style. KRS-One and Rakim would run circles around Biggie.
Love how Jeru dissed him. Biggie was very shallow compared to Pac or Nas.
I don't get how people say Biggie is the best ever when he clearly highjacked Raekwon and Ghostface style. KRS-One and Rakim would run circles around Biggie.
Love how Jeru dissed him. Biggie was very shallow compared to Pac or Nas.
I love both East Coast and West Coast Hip Hop. The East Coast created Hip Hop. However, in some ways I like West Coast Hip Hop better. Why? Because some of the best West Coast Hip Hop has never been heard on a wide scale. Since the advent of recorded Hip Hop on the West Coast with Too $hort, West Coast Rap was an underground phenomena. East Coast Hip Hop has been about signing to major record labels since the early 80's. East Coast rappers who supposedly represent the block are being pimped by White men in suits. To this day, most people on the East Coast do not respect rappers who are not signed to major record labels. Many East Coast rappers from the 80's to the present are flat broke today because they signed "bad deals" with big record companies. Also, since East Coast rappers music was much more accessible than underground Gangsta rap from Cali, generations of cornball White kids born and raised in the suburbs think they are actually knowledgeable about Hip Hop. This has helped bastardize much of the easily accessible classic East Coast and West Coast Hip Hop from the 80's and 90's in the same way classic Air Jordans from the 80's and 90's have been commercialized and re-retro'd to death.
Dealing with major record labels has always been a pitfall of East Coast Hip Hop. This is the reason why Q-Tip said that "industry people are shady" on "Check the Rhime". The late great Guru of Gang Starr summed it up best when he said this on "Credit is Due":
"A lot of the dopest MC's don't really get enough light/because their record companies don't really market them right/Most people signing acts/ they ain't from the streets because they come from the sweet, soft section of town/and they be sweating and pretending that they know a real rap sound..."
Corporate exploitation of Hip Hop is not unique to the East Coast. West Coast groups like N.W.A. were also pimped by sleazy rich White guys. Also, most music critics who rate Hip Hop music are not people from the hood in any shape, form or fashion. Miss Info was the original critic for The Source that gave Illmatic five mics.
Ultimately, Hip Hop is the poetry of the ghetto. It is not something that can really be truly understood by outsiders. In my opinion, the best West Coast Hip Hop was way too harsh for the radio because it embodied the unedited insanity of living in the inner city in California. These songs were made for the block and by the block. The rappers who made these songs were truly trapped in the ghetto and you can hear it in the music. These rappers never sat in corporate meetings with White dudes in suits talking about marketing. Nor were these rappers art school students who decided to make hardcore records to boost revenue for a big record company like Mobb Deep. These songs effectively evoke the fear, pain and desperation of places like East Palo Alto when it was the murder capital of the U.S. in 1992 and Lakeview in San Francisco when it was one of the worst neighborhoods on the West Coast:
I know my opinions are unpopular especially with East Coast posters but I don't care because I am from the hood and I don't need to read an allmusic.com rating or watch VH1 to tell me what Hip Hop is.
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Yea this was pretty weak compared to Tupac dis songs. One thing I did hate was how bias people from the Eastcoast were at the time. He was better than Biggie to me. He had way more emotion in his lyrics. I personaly don't think Biggie was better than Rakim, Ghost Face, or Krs-One either for that matter. Just my opinion.
I get into this argument all the time. "Hit Em Up" is not a good diss song. It's a good song but it's too simple and elementary. A good diss song will make you rewind it ten times just to catch a subliminal message. It's basically a curse song that anybody could have made.
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I don't get how people say Biggie is the best ever when he clearly highjacked Raekwon and Ghostface style. KRS-One and Rakim would run circles around Biggie.
Love how Jeru dissed him. Biggie was very shallow compared to Pac or Nas.
Stop playing! Biggie's flow alone kills anything that Ghost Face and Rae could have put out. He didn't take their style. Biggie was dissin all of them cats subliminally, that's why he was the KING.
On that P Ditty Victory joint he goes at Nas, Ghost and Rae - "I'm in your momma crib waitin, duct tapin, your fam Destiny lays in my hands, gat lays in my waist." Nas said that was about his daughter Destiny. LOL
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This has helped bastardize much of the easily accessible classic East Coast and West Coast Hip Hop from the 80's and 90's in the same way classic Air Jordans from the 80's and 90's have been commercialized and re-retro'd to death. 
