Moving to Tennessee (Murfreesboro, Johnson City, Rutherford: short sale, real estate, house)

[Lobstahiswickedgood]

Hi everyone,

Well the state of Maine has finally pushed me over the edge. My little family can no longer afford to live in this tax and spend liberal state, and don't get me started on the progressive movement up here, that is what has destroyed this beautiful state. We have done lots of looking into Tennessee (my wifes father lives near Johnson City), and we are thinking Murfreesboro suits our needs pretty well. We have a Special Needs child and am wondering if anyone has any info on the Monroe Carell Jr. Childrens Hospital at Vanderbuilt? Any info would be great positive or negative. I thank you all for your time.

[soulful]

Hi there. I think you will love Tennessee and Murfreesboro is a great place. The population is really growing both in the city and county (Rutherford).

Regarding the Monroe Carell Jr. Children's Hospital at Vanderbilt, it is excellent! I don't know specifically what area of expertise you require, however, overall it is cutting edge. It is ranked within the top 10 children's hospitals in the U.S.: http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporte...x.html?ID=3694

Good luck with your move and let us know if you have any other questions

[Big TR]

We took our son the the Children's hospital for an outpatient surgery procedure. They were great with him.

FYI, they do allow gay people in Tennessee.

[septimus]

Liberal Yankee living in TN signing in. Taxes are low but there is a reason too.
Also the State isn't going to be able to "cut" its way out of its current crisis and eventually we are going to either raise taxes or completely stop educating our children and paying for elderly in nursing homes.

[groovamos]

Originally Posted by septimus

Liberal Yankee living in TN signing in. Taxes are low but there is a reason too.
Also the State isn't going to be able to "cut" its way out of its current crisis and eventually we are going to either raise taxes or completely stop educating our children and paying for elderly in nursing homes.

Not sure which reason the poster is referring to, Moderator cut: personal attacks are not allowed on this forum

I will tell you this. Tennessee, like Texas is a pro-business conservative state that has been very successful in luring from California tax-beaten corporate headquarters to the Nashville region, maybe a dozen or so in the last 4~5 years. Examples are Nissan (formerly of Gardena) Asurion (S.F. peninsula) and a couple of weeks ago, Emerson. Go read up on the wrecked California dream, and you will see that liberal tax-and-regulate Democrat and SEIU controlled state government has caused a truly disastrous fiscal situation and a 12.5% unemployment rate when TN and TX have around 8%. Tennessee does have a moderate Democrat and former business chief executive as governor.

[mad fiddler]

Originally Posted by groovamos

Not sure which reason the poster is referring to, maybe it is that conservatives want to raise stupid children to be like them.

I will tell you this. Tennessee, like Texas is a pro-business conservative state that has been very successful in luring from California tax-beaten corporate headquarters to the Nashville region, maybe a dozen or so in the last 4~5 years. Examples are Nissan (formerly of Gardena) Asurion (S.F. peninsula) and a couple of weeks ago, Emerson. Go read up on the wrecked California dream, and you will see that liberal tax-and-regulate Democrat and SEIU controlled state government has caused a truly disastrous fiscal situation and a 12.5% unemployment rate when TN and TX have around 8%. Tennessee does have a moderate Democrat and former business chief executive as governor.

As of September, Tennessee is at 10.3%, California at 12%. Not a huge difference.

"High tax" Massachusetts has a lower unemployment rate than Tennessee at 9.3%, as does "high tax" Minnesota, at 7.1%.

Seems to me I posted something not that long ago that showed the red/blue divide really didn't mean much economically.

Most economists blame California's troubles on their system of referenda. Conservatives vote for tax freezes, while liberals vote for social programs. The California legislature has very little discretion when it comes to taxing or trimming the budget because past referenda have tied their hands.

[groovamos]

Originally Posted by mad fiddler

As of September, Tennessee is at 10.3%, California at 12%. Not a huge difference.

"High tax" Massachusetts has a lower unemployment rate than Tennessee at 9.3%, as does "high tax" Minnesota, at 7.1%.

Seems to me I posted something not that long ago that showed the red/blue divide really didn't mean much economically.

Most economists blame California's troubles on their system of referenda. Conservatives vote for tax freezes, while liberals vote for social programs. The California legislature has very little discretion when it comes to taxing or trimming the budget because past referenda have tied their hands.

Most economists with the time and inclination to write on this are going to be liberal academics with not much axe to grind with SEIU. For the poster to imply that the legislature has its hands tied is laughable. It wasn't the referenda which gave SEIU the run of the place and deeded all the government jobs over to them. The liberal legislature knows where their campaign funds can be had, and lavishly paid union folks getting paid out of the taxpayers pocket is a pretty good thing for them.

Right now my superliberal buddy who married my ex-girlfriend is out of work and trying to support a family of 5 in Castro Valley. There are not only no corporate relocations into CA right now according to him, but there are no startups being funded. The venture capital groups in the state are not only terrified of the local conditions, but also of the radical Washington regime introducing so much potential disruption into the workplace with this healthcare stuff and cap and trade. California is at the center of a perfect storm, and Tennessee is benefiting from it by scarfing up the fleeing corporate jobs, as is Texas and other pro-business ones like Arizona.

And my buddy disagrees with the poster on the culpability of the legislature. But the joke is he blames the Republicans in the legislature for blocking spending bills which according to superliberal logic, would fix things by raising more taxes. I didn't bother to ask him that if this is the way he thinks then why not donate more of his money to the state. When I told him about the corporate raiding being done by Tennessee, and the reasons these companies are leaving he just went silent.

My question to the poster is this: Why does the Commerce dept. report Tennessee net domestic in-migration and Massachusetts out-migration? Why is TN surpassing MA in population as we speak, er, write?

[Diane Giam]

Originally Posted by groovamos

Oh --does this mean the poster has played the "taking my toys and going home" card? Smart approach, real nice. But somebody tell himher they forgot to name my supposed ideology or reveal the supposed ideal around which my supposed ideology is constructed.

The OP is interested in moving from New England to a low tax state and has picked TN for this reason. This is the type of anecdote fiddler doesn't like. Maybe he/she would be happier if there were more people posting here who say they want to leave TN for a higher tax state because taxes are too low in TN. Anyone feel like searching on this forum for such an anecdote? We want Fiddler to be happy.

Now as to basing my assumptions on anecdotes only, did I mention that I see statistics the government puts out on this? yep. There are quite a few more people moving from MA to TN than the reverse, according to the government statistics on internal migration. This obviously improves the unemployment rate in MA and has the reverse effect on TN. Amazing that the official unemployment rates of the two states are real close, then. Maybe closer than the margin of error possibly.

I agree, no one would leave to move to recieve Higher Taxes. If you read the other board people are leaving because of the Taxes. The NJ board right now has more unemployed. The real estate taxes there are crazy. I pay less than half here, for a house almost double the size, and it also costs less than the house I sold.
The house I sold to get out of that rat race is on the market again listed lower than the sold price. They won't get that because there is a short sale going for less, much newer , and more sq footage. I hope they get a buyer just like them, its what they deserve.


Diane G

[septimus]

Originally Posted by Diane Giam

I agree, no one would leave to move to recieve Higher Taxes. If you read the other board people are leaving because of the Taxes. The NJ board right now has more unemployed. The real estate taxes there are crazy. I pay less than half here, for a house almost double the size, and it also costs less than the house I sold.
The house I sold to get out of that rat race is on the market again listed lower than the sold price. They won't get that because there is a short sale going for less, much newer , and more sq footage. I hope they get a buyer just like them, its what they deserve.


Diane G

I disagree. I would move back to my high tax former state for the right career opportunity. Tennessee is just a stopping point on the career track. I miss good public schools, excellent public services, good unemployment benefits (seriously $300/wk isn't enough to buy groceries and keep the lights on never mind a place to live), a social safety net, etc.

[Diane Giam]

Originally Posted by septimus

I disagree. I would move back to my high tax former state for the right career opportunity. Tennessee is just a stopping point on the career track. I miss good public schools, excellent public services, good unemployment benefits (seriously $300/wk isn't enough to buy groceries and keep the lights on never mind a place to live), a social safety net, etc.

My husband makes a NY salary here, so not everyone is making that low. My son makes exactly the same salary he made in NJ except here he pays $700 a month for a 2 bedroom, 2 bath apt, and there he paid $1000 a month, for a 1 bedroom, 1 bath apt and it was really old comparied to the much newer one here.
My electric bill in NJ in the summer on a 2400 sq ft house was $500 vs $225 on a 4500 sq ft house here. as far as schools here, I feel you get same education. Also colleges here are much more afordable.

Diane G