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Old 10-23-2018, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Ever heard of toxoplasmosis? It lives in cat feces. It can be devastating to a fetus, and isg why pregnant women shoulda clean cat boxes.

Every thread that starts with "why" is begging the question.
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Texas
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In the wild, every animal, reptile, and fish defecates, but only human defecation in the wild is considered disease producing.

We have to have processing plants to treat human defecation (not sure what happened before the advent of these plants), but every other creature "goes" outside and it's just fine - no problems.

Why is human defecation so toxic to land, water, other humans, etc.?
Thread fail bc question premise wrong.
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Old 10-23-2018, 01:49 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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In the wild, every animal, reptile, and fish defecates, but only human defecation in the wild is considered disease producing.

We have to have processing plants to treat human defecation (not sure what happened before the advent of these plants), but every other creature "goes" outside and it's just fine - no problems.

Why is human defecation so toxic to land, water, other humans, etc.?
It's not.

This is why factory farms are a problem. Well, one of the many reasons.
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Old 10-23-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Ever heard of toxoplasmosis? It lives in cat feces. It can be devastating to a fetus, and isg why pregnant women shoulda clean cat boxes.

Every thread that starts with "why" is begging the question.
And there is this.
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Old 10-23-2018, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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In the wild, every animal, reptile, and fish defecates, but only human defecation in the wild is considered disease producing.

We have to have processing plants to treat human defecation (not sure what happened before the advent of these plants), but every other creature "goes" outside and it's just fine - no problems.

Why is human defecation so toxic to land, water, other humans, etc.?
Your premise is false. All feces are potentially harmful.

In one instance, the FDA investigated and determined deer feces was responsible for E Coli contamination of apples used to produce apple juice which resulted in death and injury.

In another, it was believed that bovine excrement contaminated Milwaukee's water supply causing death and injury, but it was actually found to be human excrement.

There are many virus and bacteria in animal feces that are not harmful to humans, but there are some that are. In some cases, animal and human feces may contain the same harmful virus or bacteria. Some viral or bacterial contamination are limited only to human feces. There are bacteria and virus limited to certain specific species.


Both animal and human urine also contains harmful virus and bacteria.


When you have large groups of people, 400 and up, and sanitation conditions are poor, you run the risk of typhoid, cholera, dysentery and other diseases.
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:19 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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1. Die offs are counter-productive to any disease organism hoping to have new hosts to infect. Die offs are rare, while sickness is not.

2. Birds, fish, mammals like squirrels, raccoons, skunks, et al don't have their own news media with click-bait stories. Localized population die offs happen all the time from various causes. The fluctuations of the rabbit/fox populations are common and somewhat documented.
Consider waterfowl mass die-offs due to avian cholera or avian botulism. Both are due to naturally-occurring soil bacteria. When local conditions are right, the bacteria blooms, birds ingest it from water and plant material, get sick and die. Infected birds shed the bacteria. Maggots feeding on carcasses are consumed by other birds, they also end up sick, creating more carcasses and spreading the toxin more. Originally spread of the toxins had nothing to do with humans...except that there were many places in the dry western states where people wanted to create more and more wetlands after the Dust Bowl.

For obvious reasons, waterfowl populations crashed during the Dust Bowl. Humans wanted to restore them, so made efforts to hold back and impound water everywhere they could and attract migratory waterfowl to areas they didn't historically spend time. More large concentrations of waterfowl ended up in areas they didn't normally congregate during their annual migrations. It had the unintended side effect of creating more botulism and cholera outbreaks...because the waterfowl were concentrated where inundated soils happened to contain the bacteria. With disease breakouts more bacteria ended up stored in those soils. Letting these wetlands go back to more natural cycles of dryout helps restrict bacteria blooms. There may not be as many waterfowl there, but the outbreaks and die-offs drop too.

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Old 10-23-2018, 09:39 PM
 
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Every year farm people sickened and people die due to animal feces and urine. An animal farm located up hill from a lettuce grower, a rain storm washing animal waste down to the lettuce farm, sickening people, and a huge recall every where it was sold. This has happened numerous times, with different situations.

Rivers and creeks should not be used for drinking water due to dangers of contaminated water due to being having contaminated by bird and animal waste. In 1970s a study was done of river headwaters far above humans living in areas, and found even the country where rivers originate, water was dangerous to humans due to animal and bird waste.

This is one of many articles and studies.

I Didn’t Know That Poop Could Be So Harmful!
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Old Today, 06:29 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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We are more worried about the handling of human waste than animal waste because if human waste contains a human pathogen, it will cause disease in another exposed human. Animal waste is much less likely to contain a human pathogen.
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Old Today, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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We are more worried about the handling of human waste than animal waste because if human waste contains a human pathogen, it will cause disease in another exposed human. Animal waste is much less likely to contain a human pathogen.
But it can and does carry human pathogens. Not only that; but animal waste is far more likely to contain the different parasitic worms that can be spread to humans. Most humans do not eat raw things off the ground.
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