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Old 06-27-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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There are a few tiny streams on a property I am acquiring in Skamokawa WA - there are some tiny steams (in. blue). on the topo map. They start from about 700 and spill into forest and perhaps the Columbia River.


How can I "improve" a stream into one that is much larger?
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Old 06-27-2019, 05:04 PM
 
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I'd check with the county first to see if a permit is needed.
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Old 06-27-2019, 07:50 PM
 
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I am but I'm interested physically how it would be done-its only 1 ft wide currently and all on my property.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:07 AM
 
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I am but I'm interested physically how it would be done-its only 1 ft wide currently and all on my property.
In your other thread you said you were meeting with a biologist. Hopefully with a hydrologist too. Ask them. What you may consider "improving" the streams may not be, but only someone who knows the hydrology of that parcel could advise you. FWIW, the water originates somewhere OFF your property. It may just surface there if they are springs. That topo doesn't really show much. A hydrology map and/or wetlands map will tell them a lot more. They will probably check the regional wetlands delineation maps and watershed data to determine where the water actually does originate and where it ends up after it leaves your parcel. You may or may not be able to impound or divert any of it.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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There are a few tiny streams on a property I am acquiring in Skamokawa WA - there are some tiny steams (in. blue). on the topo map. They start from about 700 and spill into forest and perhaps the Columbia River.

How can I "improve" a stream into one that is much larger?


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I am but I'm interested physically how it would be done-its only 1 ft wide currently and all on my property.

Good advice from Parnassia.

I have read your other thread that you started about this and have posted to it. You can't "improve" it and you won't be able to do any work on it yourself, you'll be required to hire a hydro-engineer to do the job for you if all of your permits are approved. It doesn't matter that the stream in question is flowing through your property, the water and its path has its own protected right of way and structure and it isn't yours to alter, it's just passing through.


I have posted a fuller explanation to your other thread about what you will need to do. Making a tiny stream wider- can it be done?


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Old 06-28-2019, 02:06 PM
 
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I have read your other thread that you started about this. You can't "improve" it and you won't be able to do any work on it yourself, you'll be required to hire a hydro-engineer to do the job for you if all of your permits are approved. It doesn't matter that the stream in question is flowing through your property, the water and its path has its own protected right of way and it isn't yours to alter, it's just passing through. I have posted a fuller explanation to your other thread about what you will need to do. Making a tiny stream wider- can it be done?


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This is very true and many people have gotten into big (expensive) trouble by altering a natural waterway on their property. In fact, the state department of fish and game may enter your property any time without probable cause or a search warrant if you have water with fish on it.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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This is very true and many people have gotten into big (expensive) trouble by altering a natural waterway on their property. In fact, the state department of fish and game may enter your property any time without probable cause or a search warrant if you have water with fish on it.

True. In fact is that way all over all of North America and in other First World countries.


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Old 06-28-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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You're not going to be able to "improve" it, but you might be able to destroy it. Learn to appreciate it for what it is.
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Old 06-29-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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True. In fact is that way all over all of North America and in other First World countries.


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The rules are slightly less stringent if you own the watershed (if the water originates on your own property). Of course any 'improvement' is still controlled and regulated.

It is like if a farmer has a thousand acres and wants to dig out a little pond in a natural depression on their land. That does not mean that they do not need permits, have to abide by the regulations, but the process is considerably easier (cheaper) than it is for those that do not own the water source (where it might be impossible). Of course that might have all changed with the newer regulations; so it is wise to always check first.
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