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Old 06-22-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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I'm proud to be a Nebraskan today.

The city of Fremont has the guts to do what obama and the feds don't.
At least the Obama administration is pursuing immigration reform; something previous presidents wouldn't touch. I'm a proud Nebraskan too, just not a mean-spirited one. A proactive approach to immigration reform is necessary, but I really don't think Fremont's approach is going to solve anything. It'll just drive a wedge between groups of people.
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Old 06-22-2010, 03:13 PM
 
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Not really. Most fundamentalist Christians I know think Catholics are hell-bound heretics.
Aren't Catholics Christians?
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Old 06-22-2010, 03:49 PM
 
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Funny how I don't recall this debate when the economy was humming along and we were at full employment. These illegals were hired by free enterprise capitalists, probably all conservative Republicans (you know, the Chamber of Commerce/upstanding community leader types), who wanted the dirt-cheap labor for their factories, lawn services, restaurants, construction crews, etc.. I don't blame the illegals; they're just trying to better their lives---you all would do the same dang thing if you were in their shoes. Now the people of Fremont and other communities are all up in arms about the "invasion". Would you all feel the same way if these people were from Germany or Sweden? We'd probably be bending over backwards to find ways to keep them here. The national spotlight is on Fremont, and it's not positive---it makes Nebraska look backward, ignorant, and racist. You no longer want to hire these people anymore or even give them a roof over their heads----right Christian of you, folks. Pull the rug out from under them after they've already been here for years. Let's change the rules now since we really don't like them here anymore.
If people from Germany or Sweden moved into the condo beneath us and proceeded to trash the place, become a breeding ground for roaches and BEDBUGS, urinate in the front yard in the daylight, throw trash all over the common area, play incredibly loud music at all hours of the day and night, etc., etc., you betI would feel the same way. However, that has not happened yet. The slumlord just continues over and over again to rent to illegal Mexicans. They have a "roof over their heads", alright. Unfortunately, it happens to also be our floor.

My guess is that the people in Freemont just want to dig out from under all the trash. If that ever becomes law here, I'm making a citizen's arrest!
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Old 06-22-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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If people from Germany or Sweden moved into the condo beneath us and proceeded to trash the place, become a breeding ground for roaches and BEDBUGS, urinate in the front yard in the daylight, throw trash all over the common area, play incredibly loud music at all hours of the day and night, etc., etc., you betI would feel the same way. However, that has not happened yet. The slumlord just continues over and over again to rent to illegal Mexicans. They have a "roof over their heads", alright. Unfortunately, it happens to also be our floor.

My guess is that the people in Freemont just want to dig out from under all the trash. If that ever becomes law here, I'm making a citizen's arrest!
I would like for you - or anyone else - to provide factual proof that these are ILLEGAL Mexicans.

Please do it, and do it now. As strongly as you worded that, you must have proof.

What is that proof? Where is it?


...or are you just assuming that ALL Mexicans are illegals?
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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I would like for you - or anyone else - to provide factual proof that these are ILLEGAL Mexicans.

Please do it, and do it now. As strongly as you worded that, you must have proof.

What is that proof? Where is it?


...or are you just assuming that ALL Mexicans are illegals?

They said they were illegal. Is that proof enough?
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Old 06-22-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE
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Obama is not pursueing immigration reform. In fact, he rarely mentioned or put any emphasis on immigration in the past. It's just that when the media started paying attention to immigration with Arizona's new law, Obama felt he needed to say something to keep his approval ratings from being disasterous...but they already are. He's not so much different than our previous presidents...they have done nothing about illegal immigration. It just gets worse and worse. Anytime Obama says something it's empty words with no actions. Obama called Arizona's new law misguided. How is it misguided to enforce laws that are already in place? What's misguided is a president who probably either hasn't read the constitution or is knowingly ignoring it.

All of you people who think it's racist, misguided and wrong to enforce our laws must feel the same way about other laws too.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:27 PM
 
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They said they were illegal. Is that proof enough?
No, it absolutely is NOT enough.

They could also have said they were from Mars, but that wouldn't mean anything.

You need to show documentation of some sort, and I know you can't. So at this point, BOTH of us are operating on assumptions.
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Old 06-22-2010, 08:43 PM
 
Location: People's Republic of California
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To those of you supporting the illegal immigration, apparently you've never been to Caifornia. We are overrun by illegals and our taxes are some of the highest in the nation supporting these opportunists. They are criminals and nothing more and yes, have taken jobs from hard working Californians. My ex husband's business was destroyed by illegals.
Walk in someone elses shoes before you start crying your bleeding hearts songs.

Cheers for Fremont!
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Obama is not pursueing immigration reform. In fact, he rarely mentioned or put any emphasis on immigration in the past. It's just that when the media started paying attention to immigration with Arizona's new law, Obama felt he needed to say something to keep his approval ratings from being disasterous...but they already are. He's not so much different than our previous presidents...they have done nothing about illegal immigration. It just gets worse and worse. Anytime Obama says something it's empty words with no actions. Obama called Arizona's new law misguided. How is it misguided to enforce laws that are already in place? What's misguided is a president who probably either hasn't read the constitution or is knowingly ignoring it.

All of you people who think it's racist, misguided and wrong to enforce our laws must feel the same way about other laws too.
The bill is working its way through the legislative process as we speak, so you really don't know what you're talking about; but, hey, why interrupt a good rant. It's one of the top 5 priorities of the Obama administration and Congress. "Empty words"? Regardless of whether or not you like Obama, he's probably the most legislatively pro-active president in my lifetime---he's pretty much on his way to accomplishing what he promised during his campaign 2 years ago.
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Old 06-22-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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The bill is working its way through the legislative process as we speak, so you really don't know what you're talking about; but, hey, why interrupt a good rant. It's one of the top 5 priorities of the Obama administration and Congress. "Empty words"? Regardless of whether or not you like Obama, he's probably the most legislatively pro-active president in my lifetime---he's pretty much on his way to accomplishing what he promised during his campaign 2 years ago.
I'd disagree wholeheartedly on this view of Obama, but that's a discussion for some other thread.

Anywhoo... I think there are several things going to take place now, regarding this new ordinance in Fremont.

1. We already know that ACLU is going to take them to court. Unfortunately, this is going to cost the city of Fremont a LOT of money. And that money WILL come from somewhere (hint, hint... property tax).

2. Fremont will suddenly come into the national spotlight - at least for a little while. Fremont will become the epicenter of the immigration debate, at least for a little while. They better make the most of it while it lasts.

3. When it's all said & done, far more will be said than done. This is not an ordinance that will be easily enacted or enforced.

4. This whole thing will end up bringing on some very difficult times for Fremont.
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