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Old 09-24-2007, 06:42 AM
 
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No one has come forward with any thing about where these individuals came from. No one seems to care. The only thing that is out there is that they came from either Madison or Norfolk. That they just appeared several years ago and attended school in Madison. None of them finished school. If they were from Nebraska or even anyother state then they would have understood American English. They did not as they had to have a Spanish speaking court interpreter recited each charge against them.

Here is the story about their first day in court that states everything that I have said here for anyone to read for themselves.

Four suspects in Norfolk bank robbery appear in court

We do have a major problem with illegals in American. Many of them are criminals, many are known gang members, many are here to try to make a better life for themselves.

The bottom line here is this if you can prove to me that they are legal American residents then do so please as no one else is giving out the proof.

Five people were killed and one Nebraska State Trooper killed himself, because he felt responsible. All of these lives lost are not acceptable to me as a Police Officer. The reported 12 million illegals in America is also not acceptable to me either. If they want a better life here in America come make one, but do so legally. Cross the border legally, learn our language which is American English. Also you all need to read the Nebraska State Constitution look up what our offical language is in the State of Nebraska. This has not been changed.

You all can PM me if you like and I will exchange emails in private.

ALso this has gotten off topic as the forum is about what Norfolk is like. Norfolk is a nice city where someone can raise a family.
Many of my friends when to school with them and knew them. Again, they were not here illegally. Their parents were hard working and the men were here LEGALLY since youngsters!

Where's your proof that they were here illegally? Pretty sure the parents would have been shipped back to Mexico ASAP if that were so, esp. after the shootings....but they are still in Madison.

Don't make this into an illegal alien thing (there's enough of that)...it was a bank robbery gone bad, they were drugged up out of their mind and 5 ppl are no longer with us because of it.

Also, they DID speak English. They were just demanding jerks during their trials ESPECIALLY Sandoval!! Unfortunately, I had a conversation with one of them (BEFORE the ordeal)-- it was in ENGLISH!!
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:04 AM
 
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Look we can go around and around about this. All I know is what I have read. If you take the time to also read the article that was added as a link then tell you can me where it is in error. Once again no one has printed yet where these individuals came from or when they arrived in the Norfolk area that will counter the article.

As you say that you knew them and even spoke with one of them before this event took place I would like for you to answer me the one question that I sent to you by private message as I will not get into a debate with you in this forum.

Also as a Nebraska Police Officer when I had to stop Hispanics for traffic violations I would ask them if the understood English. Most of the time they would do just what you have said here act like jerks and tell me No, then smile about it. They changed their minds when I would tell them that I wanted to see ID's, driver's license, vehicle registration and insurance cards and if they did not have it that I would take them to jail in order to find out who they were and that they were not an escaped criminal who would be a threat to the people of Nebraska. They would be digging for their ID's rather fast. This told me that they all understood English.

But enough of that please just read the article and point out where it is wrong as like I said no one has ever said where they were born, they just said that they were living in either Norfolk or Madison. That they all had attended school in Madison for a few years in the 1990's when they arrived in the area, but none of them ever finished school. That they all had been in prison in the past.
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Old 09-24-2007, 08:12 AM
 
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Look we can go around and around about this. All I know is what I have read. If you take the time to also read the article that was added as a link then tell you can me where it is in error. Once again no one has printed yet where these individuals came from or when they arrived in the Norfolk area that will counter the article.

As you say that you knew them and even spoke with one of them before this event took place I would like for you to answer me the one question that I sent to you by private message as I will not get into a debate with you in this forum.

Also as a Nebraska Police Officer when I had to stop Hispanics for traffic violations I would ask them if the understood English. Most of the time they would do just what you have said here act like jerks and tell me No, then smile about it. They changed their minds when I would tell them that I wanted to see ID's, driver's license, vehicle registration and insurance cards and if they did not have it that I would take them to jail in order to find out who they were and that they were not an escaped criminal who would be a threat to the people of Nebraska. They would be digging for their ID's rather fast. This told me that they all understood English.

But enough of that please just read the article and point out where it is wrong as like I said no one has ever said where they were born, they just said that they were living in either Norfolk or Madison. That they all had attended school in Madison for a few years in the 1990's when they arrived in the area, but none of them ever finished school. That they all had been in prison in the past.

I have no private message from you. Nothing there. You are 100% right in all other aspects other than they were here illegally. And all of them were in prison, other than Vela. (from CA).

Didn't mean to get so uptight, it's just this hits close to home and should be accurate when PPL talk about it. Oh, and you can't believe everything you read either. The media doesn't always get its facts straight.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:03 AM
 
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JeNiFerR,

I do not believe everything that I see in the news since I was in Vietnam and the tornado that hit Grand Island in 1980. I have true stories about these events as I was part of both. Only when that is all that you have you have to consider the story and draw a possible conclusion to what you are reading.

I hope that you get the PM if not then I will just have to re do it and send it to you again.
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:06 AM
 
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JeNiFerR,

I do not believe everything that I see in the news since I was in Vietnam and the tornado that hit Grand Island in 1980. I have true stories about these events as I was part of both. Only when that is all that you have you have to consider the story and draw a possible conclusion to what you are reading.

I hope that you get the PM if not then I will just have to re do it and send it to you again.
I remember the tornado that hit GI in 1980!! I was very young & had forgotten until now. That was a tragedy, but of course all I really new about it was what I heard from the media. I'm not from there, but it made headlines!!
Still no PM...when I get it I will answer your ?.
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Old 09-24-2007, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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I grew up just a few miles down the road from Norfolk and that was always "the big city" to me.
Thirty-something, married with two kids, I still love going back to my folks' because I get to shop in Norfolk. It's a nice city, but I have to say, it seems like every year it gets a little seedier. Any number of reasons for that, I'm sure, but that's part of why i wouldn't want to actually live *in* town. Madison maybe. Hoskins... Battle Creek... Personally, I'd pick one of the surrounding bedroom communities to actually live in.
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Old 09-24-2007, 02:46 PM
 
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Back to the original topic:
I grew up just a few miles down the road from Norfolk and that was always "the big city" to me.
Thirty-something, married with two kids, I still love going back to my folks' because I get to shop in Norfolk. It's a nice city, but I have to say, it seems like every year it gets a little seedier. Any number of reasons for that, I'm sure, but that's part of why i wouldn't want to actually live *in* town. Madison maybe. Hoskins... Battle Creek... Personally, I'd pick one of the surrounding bedroom communities to actually live in.
Seedier, yes unless you go to NW Norfolk. Very nice! And western Norfolk's doing pretty great as well.

Madison? Not me! Nor Stanton. The two best communities closest to Norfolk IMHO are Battle Creek & Pierce. Tilden's a great little community, too, but a little farther away.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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Of course there's nice parts. The Skyview area, for example, has *always* been a nice part of town. Every city has their "Nob Hill".
But the seedy areas seem to be spreading. Like I said, I've watched Norfolk for 30 years. The east end of town, for example, used to be a perfectly nice part of town. And now it looks like a dump! Just my opinion, but no, I wouldn't want to live directly in Norfolk.

Personally, given my choice, I'd pick Pilger.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:39 PM
 
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Hey, I know that this is not what the thread is about, I Kosnebbear, I have to agree w/jeniFerR---it shouldn't be about whether they are illegal or not - they are here and people are dead.

I read your link, about the court hearing, and my question is this - if these guys are illegal, had prior convictions, and served time in prison (as stated in the article), why weren't they deported? I don't know the law as well as you might kosnebbear, but wouldn't our criminal justice system have taken the time to figure out if they were illegal or not? I guess I thought if someone who is not a legal citizen of the US was convicted and sent to prison, that we would know if they were legal citizens or not? If not, don't we have to deport them after they serve time in our overcrowded prisons?

Not trying to argue, maybe I am naive and thought our justice system would know whether they are legal or illegal.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:03 PM
 
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Hey, I know that this is not what the thread is about, I Kosnebbear, I have to agree w/jeniFerR---it shouldn't be about whether they are illegal or not - they are here and people are dead.

I read your link, about the court hearing, and my question is this - if these guys are illegal, had prior convictions, and served time in prison (as stated in the article), why weren't they deported? I don't know the law as well as you might kosnebbear, but wouldn't our criminal justice system have taken the time to figure out if they were illegal or not? I guess I thought if someone who is not a legal citizen of the US was convicted and sent to prison, that we would know if they were legal citizens or not? If not, don't we have to deport them after they serve time in our overcrowded prisons?

Not trying to argue, maybe I am naive and thought our justice system would know whether they are legal or illegal.
You are right..they WOULD know and nothing was said about them being here illegally because they weren't. They would have been deported already due to prior convictions just as you said. You are not naive you are one smart cookie!
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