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Old 06-14-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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It actually does.. 'Between a man and a woman' How can that not be more directly related to orientation?
And that means "orientation" or attraction? Not all marriages are based on sex or love. I personally know a few people with arranged marriages.
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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And that means "orientation" or attraction? Not all marriages are based on sex or love. I personally know a few people with arranged marriages.
Wow.. That's right.. People can be forced into a marriage they are uncertain about, but people who are certain they want to live together for life are simply refused because of a religeous context..
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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Wow.. That's right.. People can be forced into a marriage they are uncertain about, but people who are certain they want to live together for life are simply refused because of a religeous context..

So?

We limit marriage by other requirements, too. For instance, even if I could afford it (and my wife would allow it ) the law does not allow me to take a 2nd wife.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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So?

We limit marriage by other requirements, too. For instance, even if I could afford it (and my wife would allow it ) the law does not allow me to take a 2nd wife.
True, but that philosophy is skewed anyway. It takes more than one man to keep me in the manner to which my father accustomed me! But somehow DH doesn't understand THAT, either...

I realize that the word 'freedom' doesn't apply in every situation. But emotionally reactive ranting about it doesn't change opinions, attitudes, or laws. Only rational thought and reasoning discussion does. Shouting down others only proves one thing - and it isn't what you want to prove.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:15 AM
 
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True, but that philosophy is skewed anyway. It takes more than one man to keep me in the manner to which my father accustomed me! But somehow DH doesn't understand THAT, either...

I realize that the word 'freedom' doesn't apply in every situation. But emotionally reactive ranting about it doesn't change opinions, attitudes, or laws. Only rational thought and reasoning discussion does. Shouting down others only proves one thing - and it isn't what you want to prove.

I certainly am not trying to argue from emotion here. I've attempted to argue from reason.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:48 PM
 
Location: West Omaha
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Kdrich,

The whole point is you continually argue that gays have no rights, under currently defined law. Well, that's the POINT! Gays are asserting that they should have rights, either through a different interpretation of the current law or through newly written laws.

Again, the same logic you apply is exactly the logic applied by those who opposed interracial marriage and/or desegregation.

I have zero problem with a church refusing to marry a gay couple...that is religious freedom to me. However, that same church mandated morality should NOT carry through to the state institution of marriage. People get married everyday for reasons that would be repugnant to the church.

I simply do not understand why a gay couple getting married through the laws of the state has any bearing on you. One of the primary reasons that I am pro-gay marriage is there is simply not a rational reason to oppose it without invoking your religious views. The fact that some religions are completely okay with it then makes the religious argument a non-starter.
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Kdrich,

The whole point is you continually argue that gays have no rights, under currently defined law. Well, that's the POINT! Gays are asserting that they should have rights, either through a different interpretation of the current law or through newly written laws.

Again, the same logic you apply is exactly the logic applied by those who opposed interracial marriage and/or desegregation.

I have zero problem with a church refusing to marry a gay couple...that is religious freedom to me. However, that same church mandated morality should NOT carry through to the state institution of marriage. People get married everyday for reasons that would be repugnant to the church.

I simply do not understand why a gay couple getting married through the laws of the state has any bearing on you. One of the primary reasons that I am pro-gay marriage is there is simply not a rational reason to oppose it without invoking your religious views. The fact that some religions are completely okay with it then makes the religious argument a non-starter.
good points, might be a waste as some will only see one side, but still good points.

nita
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I certainly am not trying to argue from emotion here. I've attempted to argue from reason.
kdbrich; I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were. It was a general reference to the fact that so many folks on both sides of the issue want to scream at each other rather than discuss the topic completely - with all of it's ramifications - and logically, without emotion.
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Old 06-14-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Omaha, NE
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Kdrich,

The whole point is you continually argue that gays have no rights, under currently defined law. Well, that's the POINT! Gays are asserting that they should have rights, either through a different interpretation of the current law or through newly written laws.

Again, the same logic you apply is exactly the logic applied by those who opposed interracial marriage and/or desegregation.

I have zero problem with a church refusing to marry a gay couple...that is religious freedom to me. However, that same church mandated morality should NOT carry through to the state institution of marriage. People get married everyday for reasons that would be repugnant to the church.

I simply do not understand why a gay couple getting married through the laws of the state has any bearing on you. One of the primary reasons that I am pro-gay marriage is there is simply not a rational reason to oppose it without invoking your religious views. The fact that some religions are completely okay with it then makes the religious argument a non-starter.
This is exact to the tee what is being expressed... Good job Matt!
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:20 AM
 
Location: Midtown Omaha
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This is exact to the tee what is being expressed... Good job Matt!
Yes Matt makes excellent points and yet here we are in Nebraska, still living with its bigoted legislation. On the bright side, Congress is about to smack all the states with no glbt hate crimes legislation, this includes you Nebraska!!! Even more of a smack is the fact that kdrich had nothing to say ion return!!!!

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