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Old 03-18-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: southern california
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corporate farms can survive hits or influence government to help them out. little guys cant.
same reason non union workers are going down the tubes in a hand basket. godzilla meets bambie.
a great lesson about to be learned, stick together or perish. the lessons of the 1930's have been forgotten and we are about to relearn them.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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Good thing people fill out their census forms.
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Old 03-19-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Western AZ
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with regards to farming (or ranching) specifically, land prices are higher than they've ever been... It is literally impossible for someone to get started in ag. with no backing of land/cash/assets from parents or grandparents.

And part of what keeps ag. land prices high are things like CRP. Payment on land that is no longer in production. But, why bother selling when you can continue to collect CRP payments?
I agree with Fred, that CRP will have a tendency to keep land prices anomalously high and depending on whether you are buying or selling that can either be good or bad. Of course, if you are selling you have to be able to find a buyer.

Most other government programs are a detriment to small family farms as well. Moreover, estate taxes and inheritance have a devastating effect. Individual states have various inheritance tax rates, but the 2009 federal estate tax rate is 45 percent. This alone can make it difficult if not completely impossible to keep the farm in the family upon the death of the owner.
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:26 PM
 
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Because you don't have to milk a cow in a city to get a "milkshake". Yes, I do know how to milk a cow.
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:04 PM
 
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I agree with almost all the above mentioned topics except health care.
Laborers on farms especially in the 1980's were not at all worried about the farce called health care and sure as hell did not want the feds to run their health care or anything else for that matter.
people want good paying jobs and when everyone in the country who wants and deservers a good paying job and your government can balance their own checkbook then maybe a reform on health care would be possible but not neccessary.
Furthermore ask any veteran who has gone thru the va and 90 percent have nothing good to say about government run health care.
God bless our troubled nation and our farmers.
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Old 03-27-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Western Nebraskansas
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But we weren't talking about health care costs in the 80s.

We're talking about health care costs TODAY.

And as one who lives and works on a ranch, most of my friends and neighbors are also farmers and ranchers or kids who grew up on one or the other and are doing something else as adults--the cost of health care/insurance is indeed a HUGE one for those of us who are in this business TODAY

(Boy, now that was one impressive run-on sentence. lol)
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Old 03-28-2010, 04:19 PM
 
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And as one who lives and works on a ranch, most of my friends and neighbors are also farmers and ranchers or kids who grew up on one or the other and are doing something else as adults--the cost of health care/insurance is indeed a HUGE one for those of us who are in this business TODAY
Before my in-laws went on Medicare in 1999, they paid $12k for insurance ion a $30k income. They considered that to be a significant expense.
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Old 03-28-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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Farming is just plain hard work, with limited social and cultural opportunities, and competes poorly as an occupation and a lifestyle with urban and suburban opportunities. And urban sprawl has been a bonanza for real estate prices. Quite a few family farms sold their land and became instant millionaires.
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:18 PM
 
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One word: MONEY! Those who have buy land....those who don't, lose land.
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its not mechanization. the big companies have a voice and can get governmenet help, the little guy is fair game for the banks and congress wont help him.
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