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Originally Posted by remember-voltaire
I'm on the understanding about ron paul but I could be wrong though my wife says I'm always wrong, ARF what does she know right EEK EEK EEK
prays that she doesn't see this post
aye but in these times of of threat ron paul wants to get rid of the FBI, CIA and very other govt agency etc. he gets in power then we truely are done
in these times we need intel and we certainly won't get it if he does away with them also ron paul seems to forget that we did get attacked before 9/11 a few times
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I could be wrong but I've never heard Paul advocate abolishing the FBI
As to the CIA...I think abolishing it would be an excellent move. Remember that when the CIA was created in 1947, it was of course, given the power to collect and analyze intelligence...but it also expanded on the old OSS (the previous US intelligence agency) by the creation of a CIA power to conduct subversive covert operations in foreign countries. You see by that time, the US government was no longer paying any attention to the US Constitution...which provides no authority for the federal government to create an agency that conducts secret covert operations independent of the US military.
Its also worth noting that the US military, the State Department and the FBI all were opposed to the creation of this agency...this secret agency with a secret budget that would have the power to conduct secret foreign operations independent of the military and outside the oversight of the Congress or the public.
And the history of the CIA's covert operations has, IMO, been a very negative one for the American people. Could you imagine a domestic agency, independent of the Congress, with the power to conduct operations it deems necessary to further some very general goals laid out by Congress?...would you anticipate much success from that agency...or would you anticipate a lot of waste, corruption, bungling and ill-advised operations? I think the history of every government would suggest the latter is more likely.
Books have been written by the CIA and what its actions have wrought...but, just as one example...Al Qaeda and creation of Bin Laden. A lot of people mistakenly believe that the CIA began funding Islamists in Afghanistan only after the Soviet invasion. But that is not true. In 1977 Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter’s NSA advisor, forms a cryptically named agency called the Nationalities Working Group (NWG) the goal of which to weaken the Soviet Union by inflaming ethnic tensions among the Islamists in the Soviet Union. According to Richard Cottam, a former CIA official who advised the Carter Administration at the time, Brzezinski advocated an alliance with the Islamists.
As part of that plan, the CIA focuses on supporting the Islamic militant enemies of the Communist government in Afghanistan which is close with the Soviet government. The CIA and the NWG begin training Islamic militants in Pakistan in 1977-78. Now, by early 1979, the US has been encouraging Muslim revolts (i.e. terrorist attacks) against the Afghani government for more than a year. Robert Gates, who is now the Defense Secretary and was CIA Director during the 90's has written about a March 30, 1979 meeting at which Under Secretary of Defense Walter Slocumbe discussed "keeping the Afghan insurgency going, and sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire."
In July of 1979...5 months
before the Soviet forces entered Afghanistan...President Carter authorized covert funding to the Islamists.
In 1998, Brzezinski recalled:
According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the mujaheddin began after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
You have to remember that the Soviets entered Afghanistan in December of 1979 at the invitation of the Communist Afghani governmment to help quell the Muslim mutinies that the US government was secretly funding. It wasn't until the end of December that the Soviets toppled the Afghani government when they came to believe (incorrectly) that Afghani President Haizullah Amin was allied with the CIA
The rest, as they say, is history...the Islamists, originally funded and trained by the US to provoke a Soviet quagmire in Afghanistan, are now the same cast of characters threatening to explode nuclear weapons in American cities.
Yeah...the CIA, in my opinion, isn't very good at international chess and, seeing as how playing that game has come to be its primary function...I think we're better off relying on the Department of Defense and FBI intelligence agencies and getting out of the covert activities entirely.
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