Free State Movement and Grafton

[legalbeetle]

Well thanks for everybody's input.....turned out to be not needed. The house we were considering has so many issues and problems that we decided against moving to Grafton. The search for a home continues.

[MrAahz]

As someone who recently moved to Manchester, New Hampshire and knows a hundred or so Free Staters personally (including the current President of the organization) I'd like to offer a little clarification.

The Free State Project's mission statement is:

The Free State Project is an agreement among 20,000 pro-liberty activists to move to New Hampshire, where they will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.

It is not a Libertarian movement, per se, though many Libertarians are also proponents of the Free State Project.

It also has no actual goals, or purpose, other than to get "pro-liberty activists" to move to New Hampshire. It takes no stand on any political issue and issues no "opinions" regarding anything (including drug use or prostitution). Other than encouraging people to move to NH it sponsors two events for liberty lovers: Liberty Forum and PorcFest.


The Keeniacs (those often gathered under the Free Keene banner) have, in no way "taken over" the FSP. They are, however a part of it. Also a part of it are current (and hopeful) State Representatives and State Senators from both the Democrat and Republican parties. As are school teachers, police officers, veterans, and just about any other "group" you could name.

Any more questions?

-Aahz

[Sweetbottoms]

Originally Posted by MrAahz

As someone who recently moved to Manchester, New Hampshire and knows a hundred or so Free Staters personally (including the current President of the organization) I'd like to offer a little clarification.

The Free State Project's mission statement is:


It is not a Libertarian movement, per se, though many Libertarians are also proponents of the Free State Project.

It also has no actual goals, or purpose, other than to get "pro-liberty activists" to move to New Hampshire. It takes no stand on any political issue and issues no "opinions" regarding anything (including drug use or prostitution). Other than encouraging people to move to NH it sponsors two events for liberty lovers: Liberty Forum and PorcFest.


The Keeniacs (those often gathered under the Free Keene banner) have, in no way "taken over" the FSP. They are, however a part of it. Also a part of it are current (and hopeful) State Representatives and State Senators from both the Democrat and Republican parties. As are school teachers, police officers, veterans, and just about any other "group" you could name.

Any more questions?

-Aahz

So do only the Keenaics support ruining peoples lives and endangering them by posting their home addresses and harassing them and their family members all while video taping it or is that a Free Stater supported action? Are they the only ones who supported endangering my husband while he was on patrol by having a camera in his face, throwing things and shouting at him to distract him from a traffic stop wtih a known felon who was possibly armed or once again is that a complete Free Stater supported action? Just wondering if the death of an officer or their family members would be validated because they work for the "enemy" in the eyes of Free Staters.. One less gov't official to answer to right? Any more questions?

[MrAahz]

Originally Posted by Sweetbottoms

So do only the Keenaics support ruining peoples lives and endangering them by posting their home addresses and harassing them and their family members all while video taping itor is that a Free Stater supported action?

Not even all the Keeniacs support such actions. Public posting of home addresses caused a lot of controversy amongst Keene based Free Staters.

Originally Posted by Sweetbottoms

Are they the only ones who supported endangering my husband while he was on patrol by having a camera in his face, throwing things and shouting at him to distract him from a traffic stop wtih a known felon who was possibly armed or once again is that a complete Free Stater supported action?

Again, there is a wide variety of people within the FSP and they will disagree on almost all issues. But I don't recall ever hearing about Free Staters throwing things at a cop. Seems very out of character for them. Can you please point me to the video of this happening.

Originally Posted by Sweetbottoms

Just wondering if the death of an officer or their family members would be validated because they work for the "enemy" in the eyes of Free Staters.. One less gov't official to answer to right?

Nope. I've never heard a Free Stater call for the death of anyone. Government official or otherwise. There are plenty of Free Staters who ARE government officials. So, are they enemies of themselves?

Originally Posted by Sweetbottoms

Any more questions?

Yes: Do have any actual evidence of Free Staters calling for harm to anyone? Doing anything to directly harm anyone? Validating anyone's death?

I understand you're scared for your husband. But since the Keeniacs videotape just about everything they do and publish it online it shouldn't be difficult for your to find some footage of them attacking someone. Hell, how about a court transcript or even a newspaper report of where a Free Stater attacked someone.

Until then you're just making up scare stories.

-Aahz

[MrAahz]

The bottom line is this. The Free Staters are individuals.

If I told you that some of the people filming cops are Christians would you rail against Christians? Some of them are Republicans, so do you blame all Republicans. Some of them are women, so do you blame all women? Some of them are Jewish, so do you blame all Jews? Some of them eat hot dogs, so do you blame Oscar Meyer?

-Aahz

[GregW]

Some call me communist because I believe a social/economic safety net is vital to individual freedom. You cannot consider yourself free if you have to take a job you do not want to do just because it is the only thing available and without the pay you would starve in the frozen dark. I do support public education and libraries because we all benefit from an educated and literate population. I do not support paying for education with local property taxes or a general sales tax. I also support a progressive income tax on all income from all sources with a base deductable equal to the 90th percentile of the resident’s income.

Beyond that I do not support intrusive government at all. Ideologically I do not support planning and zoning although I do see the economic benefit for current landowners. I do not think the government should limit drug use including MJ but I also thing these substances should be sold, like NH does with Liquor, in state owned stores. I agree with minimizing gun control laws to prevent purchase by convicted violent felons (a previous conviction for possession of MJ is a bad joke INHO) or certified irresponsible crazies. I do not support registration for concealed carry. I do support a "Castle Doctrine" preventing civil persecution for defending yourself, family, home or anyone else.