Keene in the Beginnings of a Global Warming Tax (new home, to buy)

[CometVoyager]

[quote=rmcewan;2697430]No. It's not scary. It's just a rule. Who cares?

Car exhausts are smelly, and aside from CO2, put out plenty of other toxic chemicals that don't do kiddy brains, lungs, and livers any good.
If nothing else, it makes good FISCAL sense to turn off your gas guzzler if you're waiting more and a couple of minutes.
These guys are like the smokers who can't walk more than 5ft away from an office building entrance. Place where I used to work was like running a gauntlet every time you went in there.

I have to agree with Sciamedia on this one, as "rmcewan" exhibits a perfect example of a mindset that wants to legislate every possible law to control the pleasures of others. How absurd to require that cars be turned off while these people are waiting to pick up their children from school in the dead of winter. Cars are standing on the street and as far as I know that is what cars do while they are on the street. If you don't like the smell of the exhaust then walk around the car. Next thing you know they will Outlaw MacDonald's and Fast Food!

[rmcewan]

[quote=CometVoyager;2698812]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

No. It's not scary. It's just a rule. Who cares?

Car exhausts are smelly, and aside from CO2, put out plenty of other toxic chemicals that don't do kiddy brains, lungs, and livers any good.
If nothing else, it makes good FISCAL sense to turn off your gas guzzler if you're waiting more and a couple of minutes.
These guys are like the smokers who can't walk more than 5ft away from an office building entrance. Place where I used to work was like running a gauntlet every time you went in there.

I have to agree with Sciamedia on this one, as "rmcewan" exhibits a perfect example of a mindset that wants to legislate every possible law to control the pleasures of others. How absurd to require that cars be turned off while these people are waiting to pick up their children from school in the dead of winter. Cars are standing on the street and as far as I know that is what cars do while they are on the street. If you don't like the smell of the exhaust then walk around the car. Next thing you know they will Outlaw MacDonald's and Fast Food!

Not hardly. I represent a mindset that says I'm not going to start ringing the libertarian alarm bells over trivial stuff like this. So let me clarify for the jump to conclusions mind-set: I don't CARE if they make that rule. To me personally, it is a trivial rule protecting against a minor risk. I personally wouldn't make such a rule or support it if I had the power to vote on it, but I won't lose sleep over it. Now, on smoking: Again - have your pleasures and enjoy your freedom to smoke.. .right up until it impinges upon my freedom to breathe fresh air and continue to be smoke free.

[Sciamedia]

[quote=rmcewan;2701011]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

Not hardly. I represent a mindset that says I'm not going to start ringing the libertarian alarm bells over trivial stuff like this. So let me clarify for the jump to conclusions mind-set: I don't CARE if they make that rule. To me personally, it is a trivial rule protecting against a minor risk. I personally wouldn't make such a rule or support it if I had the power to vote on it, but I won't lose sleep over it. Now, on smoking: Again - have your pleasures and enjoy your freedom to smoke.. .right up until it impinges upon my freedom to breathe fresh air and continue to be smoke free.

I find it very disturbing Maine would make it illegal for a car idle while a parent is waiting to pick up their child. Who cares about CO2 emissions! Last I knew that is what we all exhale! Very bizarre how some would not see where this is leading us to! Some truly do not know what freedom means. It is usually those I find who have never served. Hope these people stay in Maine and Mass!

[unknown stuntman]

Idle cars in Maine wouldn't be such a laughable subject to tackle by today's crop of useless politicians, if standards were applied UNIVERSALLY. What gets me most about these nanny laws is always how these rules are subjected to the "health concerns" of children. As George Carlin put it, "its always about the children". Hence the seeds of government intervention and how it only becomes more intervening in our daily lives as time goes on. Any vote not for our children is blasphemy no matter what facts stand in the way and you will feel the burden of a social stigma that rivals being associated with a Neo-nazi organization.

[rmcewan]

[quote=Sciamedia;2703979]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

I find it very disturbing Maine would make it illegal for a car idle while a parent is waiting to pick up their child. Who cares about CO2 emissions! Last I knew that is what we all exhale! Very bizarre how some would not see where this is leading us to! Some truly do not know what freedom means. It is usually those I find who have never served. Hope these people stay in Maine and Mass!

Cars emit Carbon Dioxide sure, but also Carbon Monoxide. CO2 is relatively harmless. CO on the other hand is a nerve toxin, it will kill you quickly and silently in a closed space, and exposure leads to heart, lung and brain damage as well as birth defects. It kills more people than any other poison.

[CometVoyager]

[quote=rmcewan;2704287]

Originally Posted by Sciamedia

Cars emit Carbon Dioxide sure, but also Carbon Monoxide. CO2 is relatively harmless. CO on the other hand is a nerve toxin, it will kill you quickly and silently in a closed space, and exposure leads to heart, lung and brain damage as well as birth defects. It kills more people than any other poison.

For over 100 years cars have been idling all throughout New York City, even before most of todays zero emission cars. No one has died from car exhaust unless it was intentionally planned. Those who make regulations like this one in Maine regarding cars idling and now some Keane residents jumping in on this Global Warming Mania and worrying about the toxic effect of cars idling outside, really need to realize that their behavior is indicative of a personality trait, such as meticulousness, avarice, and obstinacy, originating in habits, attitudes, or values associated with certain infantile pleasures.

I say "Live it or Live With it!"

[Sciamedia]

[quote=CometVoyager;2706986]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

For over 100 years cars have been idling all throughout New York City, even before most of todays zero emission cars. No one has died from car exhaust unless it was intentionally planned. Those who make regulations like this one in Maine regarding cars idling and now some Keane residents jumping in on this Global Warming Mania and worrying about the toxic effect of cars idling outside, really need to realize that their behavior is indicative of a personality trait, such as meticulousness, avarice, and obstinacy, originating in habits, attitudes, or values associated with certain infantile pleasures.

I say "Live it or Live With it!"

Could not agree with you more Comet! I would like these legislature people be on a part time basis, maybe a max of 90 days a year and the rest of the time I would hope they would have a real job! Would really like to see these law makers serve on a voluntary basis and then maybe you would see some quality legislation unlike these frivolous anti smoking and global warming laws.

[rmcewan]

[quote=Sciamedia;2715419]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

Could not agree with you more Comet! I would like these legislature people be on a part time basis, maybe a max of 90 days a year and the rest of the time I would hope they would have a real job! Would really like to see these law makers serve on a voluntary basis and then maybe you would see some quality legislation unlike these frivolous anti smoking and global warming laws.

Well, your luck is in in New Hampshire. The 400 NH representatives receive only $100/yr in compensation. That's about as voluntary as it gets. Get used to anti-smoking legislation throughout the world. Unique among the "big-X" industries, big-tobacco is going down and going down hard.

[Sciamedia]

[quote=rmcewan;2715902]

Originally Posted by Sciamedia

Well, your luck is in in New Hampshire. The 400 NH representatives receive only $100/yr in compensation. That's about as voluntary as it gets. Get used to anti-smoking legislation throughout the world. Unique among the "big-X" industries, big-tobacco is going down and going down hard.

Thanks for the heads up rmcewan! That is definitely encouraging and that is why I plan on buying property in the great state of NH very soon! Nevada, is somewhat similar regarding its legislature.

Smoking bans in bars and restaurants should be left up to the owner of the establishment whether or not they want to attract smokers or non smokers or both. No one forces customers to patronize smoking establishments. In fact, most hotels now have mostly non smoking rooms because their market prefers non smoking rooms. In other words the market fixed the problem and did not need legislative action. As far as I know, as a non smoker, cigarettes are still legal to purchase and making prohibitions for restaurant and bar owners is Communism! Reminds me of the Eminent Domain mind set!

[unknown stuntman]

[quote=Sciamedia;2715419]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

Could not agree with you more Comet! I would like these legislature people be on a part time basis, maybe a max of 90 days a year and the rest of the time I would hope they would have a real job! Would really like to see these law makers serve on a voluntary basis and then maybe you would see some quality legislation unlike these frivolous anti smoking and global warming laws.

Like Congress, less is better. I'm so sick of hearing about a do-nothing Congress and all this talk of "grid-lock". Hogwash. Less is better- except it only occurs when it of course pertains to actually passing meaningful legislation like immigration reform. As for these smoking bans, I would have more respect for the lobbyists and politicians if tobacco was simply banned in the manner Prohibition was enacted almost a century ago. If it truly is a health hazard and even if fallaciously these morons believe second hand smoke kills, then ban tobacco. Very simple. But agree or disagree, we all know why that won't ever happen. Hypocrisy at its finest form on the political level.