Keene in the Beginnings of a Global Warming Tax (Winchester: city hall, luxury)

[rmcewan]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

The actual most recent spike in the troposphere's temperature occurred before 1940 and since then it has not been so significant as was the temperature increase after 1770 or 1880. Historical records show there have been many more warmer times than we have today. The Medieval Maximum from 800-1200AD for one (when the Vikings were in Greenland and Iceland and during the the reign of Egypt. As far as I know there were no internal combustion engines then. But that may not be true, as we could have been visited by space aliens.

The Earth had a mini ice age as recent as from 1410 -1720 also known as the Maunder Minimum. There is absolutely no scientific correlation having CO2 (which is part of the carbon cycle) produced by humans having an affect upon our troposphere's temperature increase, as all scientific records reveal that temperature will increase years before you see a CO2 increase. Further, if anything we have been depleting the Earth's CO2 life form production as per our Greedy Free For All with regards to Ocean Trawling and other Animal and Plant Extinctions. Also the CO2 molecule does not retain heat very well and has a very short lived half life within our troposphere. CO2 represents approx .03% of our troposphere as well.

With regards to possible sea level changes I would say very probable, as years back even the English Channel was not there and the sea levels have steadily been rising for the past 6K years + and probably overall will continue even way after we one day (if we do not destroy one another and live long enough) cross over to a fusion energy system. And when sea levels do rise to threaten our coastal cities we will do what we have always been very good at. And that is called ADAPTATION.

But getting back to the original intent of this post was to warn NH residents of the many global warming fear mongers and how they will do their best to profit by taxation, investments and so on. The only thing Green about AL Gore is the Green Cash he is making off this Global Warming Mania.

You make good points about previous cycles and I agree about our oceans (however, Egypt was done "reigning" by about 300AD). But I want to REITERATE: I don't give a flying fart if space aliens or SUVs or too many bean casseroles are causing the climate and sea level changes. There's several billion more people on the planet since your examples. More is at stake.

I agree with you that we will adapt, but we need to start soon. This is how far we've adapted to date:



Go ahead, call me a communist for giving a hoot.

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

You make good points about previous cycles and I agree about our oceans (however, Egypt was done "reigning" by about 300AD). But I want to REITERATE: I don't give a flying fart if space aliens or SUVs or too many bean casseroles are causing the climate and sea level changes. There's several billion more people on the planet since your examples. More is at stake.

I agree with you that we will adapt, but we need to start soon. This is how far we've adapted to date:

Go ahead, call me a communist for giving a hoot.

Not going to call you a communist for giving a hoot, as your passion is admirable. And with reference to our population I agree with you as soon like around 2020 there may be 10 billion humans on the planet whereas every animal you see in the zoo will only be in the zoo and no where else, as humans have a pretty good record at making other species extinct!

That picture you posted looks like a gulf city to me. In my life time and even my grand fathers I have seen flooding like that and this was well before this Global Warming Mania. Venice Italy would be under water today and so would New Orleans and Holland if it were not for the levy and **** systems. But many cities even those near rivers have flooded in the past. Flood plains are all over the USA and this requires lenders to sell Flood Insurance but sadly after maybe one or two years beyond the required policy period these policies are canceled and you and I wind up paying for the damage.

[Suzet2262]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

You compare ice ages - periods of 10,000 years - to the current increased warming trend of a few decades. Whether current climate change is due to human input or not, whether it is part of a mini-cycle (a few 100 years) or not, the earth is warming far more rapidly than we've experienced in recorded history. A billion+ people live within areas that will flood with sea level rises of a few feet. We have no real idea whether that sea level rise will occur if and when the ice caps melt, but we owe it to our grandchildren to research, plan, and prepare rather than sit around with out collective thumbs in places I'm too polite to mention. We've seen what happens when we lose sight of traditional civil preparedness for homeland security.

It doesn't matter who is right, or WHY it is happening. IF it IS happening, than we must shut the heck up and PREPARE.

I totally agree with you on this....

[OCCASparky]

I dunno kids...seems a bit of hubris on our parts to think we can change the climate.

So what happens if/when a volcano goes? Or we go through an increase of solar activity?

The sun is causing global warming? Who knew!

We've seen that weather, like all else in nature, is cyclical. Understanding doesn't necessarily mean we can CONTROL it, but we can certainly learn to counter its effects.

[Sciamedia]

Originally Posted by OCCASparky

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So what happens if/when a volcano goes? Or we go through an increase of solar activity?

The sun is causing global warming? Who knew!

For the same reason people believe we can change the climate I now Actually am beginning to believe we can even change the SUN! All we need to do is send like a 100 Rockets to the Sun loaded with Sun Screen #50 or Coppertone!

[rmcewan]

It's coming to a state near you:

Nashuatelegraph.com: Greenhouse gas initiative up in air

[Sciamedia]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

It's coming to a state near you:

Nashuatelegraph.com: Greenhouse gas initiative up in air

Yep! Full control of the State even over your Exhalation of CO2! George Orwell is here and alive in NH!

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by Sciamedia

Yep! Full control of the State even over your Exhalation of CO2! George Orwell is here and alive in NH!

Not funny, we are losing more and more freedoms each year. That is what happens when 80% of our Legislatures in the US Congress have Law degrees!

[Sciamedia]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

Not funny, we are losing more and more freedoms each year. That is what happens when 80% of our Legislatures in the US Congress have Law degrees!

Apathy by New Hampshire citizens seem to play into the new CO2 Tax Initiative. Soon New Hampshire residents will have a Global Warming CO2 production tax added on their Property Tax Bill. Yes, I like the fact that New Hampshire still does not have a sales or income tax. However, will property owners just continue to accept these additional taxes and surcharges on their tax bills?

[Tarastomsgirl]

Originally Posted by Sciamedia

. Yes, I like the fact that New Hampshire still does not have a sales or income tax. ?

they pay dearly for that by being taxed for everything else or having to pay for services normally not paid for in other states. There was an article today in the Keene Sentinel about all this..


Cities efforts to combat global warming....