Keene in the Beginnings of a Global Warming Tax (buying, theater)

[looking4home]

It hasn't had any appreciable effect on weather, other than the occasional anomaly (drought, flood, tornadoes in January,etc.). But these things have always existed throughout human history, but perhaps not documented. People are not going to alter their lifestyles or habits unless they are forced to by law, or until something really dramatic occurs, weather-wise. And to be honest, there is a bit of fear-mongering going on, even by scientists. I don't know if it's an attempt to over-dramatize so people will pay attention and act accordingly or what. The so-called drastic changes in temperature that have the GB crowd in a tizzy, really hasn't translated into tangible effects. Supposedly, these are frightening, unprecedented temperature increases that should be causing really devastating weather and/or atmospheric changes, but where's the proof?

[MamaBee]

Originally Posted by looking4home

It hasn't had any appreciable effect on weather, other than the occasional anomaly (drought, flood, tornadoes in January,etc.). But these things have always existed throughout human history, but perhaps not documented. People are not going to alter their lifestyles or habits unless they are forced to by law, or until something really dramatic occurs, weather-wise. And to be honest, there is a bit of fear-mongering going on, even by scientists. I don't know if it's an attempt to over-dramatize so people will pay attention and act accordingly or what. The so-called drastic changes in temperature that have the GB crowd in a tizzy, really hasn't translated into tangible effects. Supposedly, these are frightening, unprecedented temperature increases that should be causing really devastating weather and/or atmospheric changes, but where's the proof?

The fear-mongering attempt (which seems to be working because elementary school children are frightened that the world will end) is being used so the government can push laws that will restrict the rights of citizens...whether it's global warming, drugs, terrorism, etc. if you're afraid you'll voluntarily hand over your rights cheering all the way.

Who is benefiting from the hype? Countries that can sell their "carbon credits" and other countries that can use environmental regulations to stifle a competing country's economy, companies now cashing in on everything "green", and people like Al Gore that fly around in jets making $$ for speaking events.

[airedaly]

Fear mongering by scientists? Please remember that scientists are citizens and parents, too. They know that global climate change will change their children's futures. Should they keep their findings to themselves?

School children should be learning about recycling and using fewer natural resources. Their environmental education can then proceed into more details of climate change thru elementary school. It's their future we're talking about. Nobody wants to frighten kids, but they are aware that we won't be able to count on the stable climate we're used to.

The beneficiaries of all global warming efforts today will be our children and grandchildren and their children.

Native Americans had it right; they always planned ahead seven generations. Society today barely plans for next week.

[SkiChick]

Originally Posted by airedaly

School children should be learning about recycling and using fewer natural resources. Their environmental education can then proceed into more details of climate change thru elementary school. It's their future we're talking about. Nobody wants to frighten kids, but they are aware that we won't be able to count on the stable climate we're used to.

I find my daughter's school district very ironic in how they educate the kids about recycling. Every classroom has those well known blue recycling boxes for paper products. The children go around and collect the blue boxes and feel good about what they think they are doing is good for the Earth. The ironic part is all the paper from the blue boxes gets incinerated by the school district! So they learn all this fantastic stuff about recycling, and then the school does this?!?

[airedaly]

That's very sad. The town should be ashamed. How about a letter to the editor? Somebody in the town is not doing their job.

[OCCASparky]

Originally Posted by airedaly

Fear mongering by scientists? Please remember that scientists are citizens and parents, too. They know that global climate change will change their children's futures. Should they keep their findings to themselves?

If their "findings" dovetail with what their benefactors are paying for, then yes, a questioning attitude is in order.

Follow the money, airedaly--follow the money.

[airedaly]

Climate scientists at US universities are generally funded by the Fed. Government. Are you suggesting that their findings correlate with the government's position on global climate change? I am not sure what you are suggesting.

On the other hand, the CEI's scientists receive much of their funding from the fossil fuel in industry. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[looking4home]

Not true, airedaly! US universities receive some federal funding, but a lot of it comes from the states themselves. Unless your college is private, in which case it comes from private donations, grants,etc. Each state has its own bias when it comes to these socio-political issues, so a university in a state like CA, where I live, will get more and better funding for its scientists working on such projects than maybe a more conservative state would.

My daughter is also a scientist, or was until she couldn't handle it anymore. I know all too well where scientists get the funding for their projects, and how they go about getting it. It's not too pretty, and there's nothing very academic or high-minded about it, either. It's very cutthroat and political, on every level.

[airedaly]

For the type of research I'm familiar with, it's mostly federal dollars. The majority of climate change study in the US is done at very large universities and at federal research facilities (NASA, NREL etc.). Very few private dollars going there.

[CometVoyager]

Hi Airedaly!

Was just wondering if you could shed some light upon your comment regarding how Native Americans had Planned ahead for Seven generations?? Would appreciate learning about the science and techniques Native Americans used to protect their environment and ward off disease and infestations as well.

Thanks

Originally Posted by airedaly

Fear mongering by scientists? Please remember that scientists are citizens and parents, too. They know that global climate change will change their children's futures. Should they keep their findings to themselves?

School children should be learning about recycling and using fewer natural resources. Their environmental education can then proceed into more details of climate change thru elementary school. It's their future we're talking about. Nobody wants to frighten kids, but they are aware that we won't be able to count on the stable climate we're used to.

The beneficiaries of all global warming efforts today will be our children and grandchildren and their children.

Native Americans had it right; they always planned ahead seven generations. Society today barely plans for next week.