Keene in the Beginnings of a Global Warming Tax (live, price)

[looking4home]

What's your point? The climate might be changing for reasons other than human-related causes. I don't think those have been fully explored. And why? Because there is nothing we can do about it, only adapt to change. Whereas the current scenario, which points fingers at certain industries and lifestyle/ideological choices, is much more political, and involves creating alternative energy sources, which is creating a new class of industrialists who get a lot of their funding from government subsidies. Make no mistake, "going green" has become very lucrative for all involved, including those pathetic, developing nations in the U.N. would climbed aboard the climate change gravy train looking for more handouts in exchange for some concessions towards cleaning up their own pollution. Oh - but not without a lot of amendments exempting them from doing anything very meaningful which would hamper personal prosperity for their reigning despots.

I'm watching the NFL playoffs right now - it's snowing hard in Green Bay in January. Some things never change, eh?

[CometVoyager]

When I created this original post alerting New Hampshire Citizens to beware of Global Warming Taxes, I indicated that the Earth Has been Warming since the end of the Last Major Ice Age, Paleocene Era. This Climate Change of Warming has been a trend way before airedaly's 12 little indians set foot in New Hampshire and way before skytrekker's "far right" political party existed. Sorry, Skytrekker, but facts are facts! The argument is whether humans are responsible for this 6,000 years of warming? Whether humans are dumping to many giga tons of Co2 into the troposphere thus causing the so called thousands of Katrina Type Hurricanes or having our Coastal Cities and shorelines be washed away as a result of increasing temperatures.

So far none of these Human Caused Global Warming Fear Mongers have provided any credible Scientific Methodology and in fact any Double Blind studies to prove that Humans are the cause of their Climate Hysteria. The U.N.s IPCC is no less political and corrupt than Koffee Anan's Iraq Oil for Food Program. These advocates are a regime of Little Napoleons in a quest for power and control over hard working people like you and me. So if you do the lazy apathetic give in to shut them up thing, pretty soon you will all be wearing gray and white pajamas and singing *** Bai Ya! Except for the ones wearing this color! And all these little napoleons will be laughing all the way to the bank depositing your hard earned $$$$$ in to Al Gore's Generation Mutual Fund; Al Gore joins Kleiner Perkins to save the planet - Nov. 12, 2007

[rmcewan]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

So far none of these Human Caused Global Warming Fear Mongers have provided any credible Scientific Methodology and in fact any Double Blind studies to prove that Humans are the cause of their Climate Hysteria.

A global warming double-blind study?
So, we take 500 planets. On 250 we put humans. We put fossil fuels on 125 of the human planets and 125 of the uninhabited planets. The humans on the 125 planets without fossil fuels will have to invent windmills or something. Wait 10,000 years taking each planet's temperature every millennium or so?

Yeah, that'll convince the flat-earthers! I'll email Al today. He can use his oil-for-food cash to invent FTL space travel and start surveying the galaxy for exact duplicates of the Solar System.

[CometVoyager]

Independent verification and objectively scrutinized research are the basis for double blind climate studies. Studies of North Sea Ice changes as well as Polar Ice Cap Volume by Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego are clear examples of double bind climate studies. Sorry, rmcewan, but there is a clearly defined scientific methodology for climate research which neither Kyoto or the IPCC have subscribed to. The U.N., Al Gore and his Generation Fund are counting on Pop Culture Junkies, the Jim Jones Kool Aid crowd and you to keep this diversion going. Must be a L.A. thing! Oh by the way, hate to disappoint you but astronomers for many years have been doing planetary Albedo studies with other planets besides our own to determine Solar Energy output and absorption.

[rmcewan]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

but there is a clearly defined scientific methodology for climate research which neither Kyoto or the IPCC have subscribed to.

Great! So if those guys ask the planet to take the Pepsi Challenge and the planet doesn't pick Coke, you'll be on board like the president.

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

Great! So if those guys ask the planet to take the Pepsi Challenge and the planet doesn't pick Coke, you'll be on board like the president.

Kind of an absurd and aleatoric response but maybe it could mean you need watch your sugar and try some diet coke.

Since when has the president of the USA ever been a climatologist?

[JViello]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

When I created this original post alerting New Hampshire Citizens to beware of Global Warming Taxes, I indicated that the Earth Has been Warming since the end of the Last Major Ice Age, Paleocene Era. This Climate Change of Warming has been a trend way before airedaly's [color=Magenta][color=Black]12 little indians set foot in New Hampshire and way before skytrekker's "far right" political party existed. Sorry, Skytrekker, but facts are facts! The argument is whether humans are responsible for this 6,000 years of warming? Whether humans are dumping to many giga tons of Co2 into the troposphere thus causing the so called thousands of Katrina Type Hurricanes or having our Coastal Cities and shorelines be washed away as a result of increasing temperatures.

Of course humans are responsible!

Ask Fred Flintstone - all the bronteosaurus burning "flintmobiles" and dinosaur farts caused the last era of "climate change" (<--latest keyword now that term GW has been "outted" and tied to extremist enviro people)


"Arctic's tropical past uncovered
By Rebecca Morelle
Science reporter, BBC News

The cores contain layers of fossils and minerals
Fifty-five million years ago the North Pole was an ice-free zone with tropical temperatures, according to research..."



"From The New York Times:
by Andrew Revkin

The first detailed analysis of an extraordinary climatic and biological record from the seabed near the North Pole shows that 55 million years ago the Arctic Ocean was much warmer than scientists imagined — a Floridian year-round average of 74 degrees."



"UK: June 1, 2006
LONDON - Sediment drilled from the floor beneath the Arctic Ocean holds prehistoric climate records that show Arctic temperatures reached subtropical levels about 55 million years ago, according to research reported on Wednesday.

The cylindrical sediment core provides new data showing that long ago the surface water was a warm 18 degrees Celsius (64 Fahrenheit) and then Arctic temperatures reached 23C (73.40F). The mean annual Arctic temperature today is around minus 20C."



"Scientists say Arctic once was tropical
Associated Press, 1 June 2006

Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hotspot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic. "



Williams describes similar discoveries in Alaska:

"Though the ground is frozen for 1,900 feet down from the surface at Prudhoe Bay, everywhere the oil companies drilled around this area they discovered an ancient tropical forest. It was in frozen state, not in petrified state. It is between 1,100 and 1,700 feet down. There are palm trees, pine trees, and tropical foliage in great profusion. In fact, they found them lapped all over each other, just as though they had fallen in that position."

Lindsey Williams, The Energy Non-Crisis, 2nd edition (Kasilof, Alaska: Worth Publishing Co., 1980), p. 54.



Course, many of us ignorant, stupid, neaderthal, "flat earth" supporters of intelligent design and creation have been saying this was the case for years...glad to see science finally catch up.

[s2bmanchy]

Originally Posted by s2bmanchy

If for nothing else consider why even if this were fake how it could benefit this country. If people started moving to alternative (and hopefully renewable) fuels the country and its economy would not be effected by someone elses supply of oil. We could be mostly, or in the least partly, self sufficient with energy. Not to mention that nobody disputes the fact that pollution happens and this could solve pollution issues as well.

Nobody wants to comment on this? The fact that the US is so against terrorists and guerilla warfare yet we continue to pump money into the pockets of the same countries that harbor them. Not to mention that our good friend Osama Bin Laden even said to attack the oil pumps because that is the best way to cripple the US economy. For some reason he has a better handle on the US economy than all of our political friends tied to big oil.

As much as I believe that global warming is happening because of fossil fuels there are other issues to consider.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by s2bmanchy

Nobody wants to comment on this? The fact that the US is so against terrorists and guerilla warfare yet we continue to pump money into the pockets of the same countries that harbor them. Not to mention that our good friend Osama Bin Laden even said to attack the oil pumps because that is the best way to cripple the US economy. For some reason he has a better handle on the US economy than all of our political friends tied to big oil.

As much as I believe that global warming is happening because of fossil fuels there are other issues to consider.

I'm 100% on-board for Ethanol. Easy to convert existing vehicles, produce new cars for it, and even during the transition you can have the option of running either with a flex fuel vehicle until the E85 stations are up to speed.

Cleaner emissions
Home Grown Fuel - Money stays here.
And the Hotrodder in me knows it's a very high octane fuel which we pay a premium for at the race track. lol

To me it's the most realistic alternative. Yea we all want the flux capacitor etc - but Ethanol can be done "now" and realtively painlessly.

[bryfry]

What I would really like to see in this country is a real push for recyling. We waste so much in everything we do. It's so hypocritical to see people at environmental awareness seminars drinking water out of plastic bottles, and drinking huge coffees out of styrofoam cups. Where does it all go? In the trash. The amount of petroleum that could be saved would be in the billions of gallons annually. Not to mention the other resourses like bauxsite, the principle ore of aluminum. How many cans get tossed daily? Hundreds of thousands, conservatively. Almost everything that is packaged can be recycled in some way. An average order at McDonalds for a family of four produces a ridiculous amount of paper waste. Same goes for the plastic bags at the market. I have reusable carry-bags instead. Stop and Shop sells them for a buck each. It's worth every penny.

Well anyway, I could go on but it would be highjacking the post. Just my two cents. You want to reduce carbon emmissions? Recycle. Plain and simple. No one wants to talk about that, though.