Keene in the Beginnings of a Global Warming Tax (transplants, disposal)

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by JViello

You all realize that most times it takes more energy resources to recycle a product than to create from nothing right?

It's true. No really, it is.

Metal is about the only thing worth recycling from an "ROI" standpoint.

I'm a hardcore conservationist, which is why I look at things like this rather than make an emotional (I.E. Enviromentalist) decision before checking facts.

JViello! You may want to rethink what you posted, as the ROI is a Healthy Mother Earth. The main impetus behind recycling in New Hampshire and Mass is to stop the creation of New Landfills and to begin as soon as possible the closing and cleaning up of all of New Hampshire's Landfills. Yes in a minor way it may help preserve natural resources as well. The energy required to recycle all man made materials is negligible as the USA has an abundance of fossil fuels. Which so far is the most cost effective safest form of energy on the planet!

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

I would rather our New Hampshire Law Makers help raise funds to close all land fills, as they pollute our fresh water supply, and require anything made or purchased in New Hampshire have a recycling avenue as well!

Nice sentiment but what would you suggest NH do with its trash?

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by Niners fan

Nice sentiment but what would you suggest NH do with its trash?

All trash in NH would be recycled rather than dumped into toxic landfills.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

I can't believe that's the majority case. Please cite your source.

PS. It's better to work on your cause than labels.

A 10 minute search on the web gets you pretty close. Have a go.

An article from Williams College in MA to get you started.

"Recycling ... Is Garbage" by John Tierney

Couple more for fun:

The True Cost of Recycling

The Utter Waste of Recycling -- 01/17/2003 (broken link)

Labels have their place, as do stereotypes. Most contain some truth to them good bad or indifferent.

As for living it:

My home is heated primarily with B20-B100 I make myself when I can, the latest and greatest efficient everything, all my vehicles are very fuel efficient and in fact I ride a motorcycle 80% of the time. (Your "hybrid" is a gross polluter by comparison)

My company uses natural "green" bio products instead of man made chemicals whenever possible even though it takes longer to do the job and cost more in the end...

I eat only natural (TRUE organic when I can) foods, and not processed junk etc etc

I'm far from "granola" and still think it's okay to use the resources we have been blessed with on the earth at will, so long as we are not abusing or destroying anything irresponsibly. I.E I cut a fresh Christmas tree every year. It's a crop, grown for that purpose just like Corn.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

All trash in NH would be recycled rather than dumped into toxic landfills.

Toxic material does not go to landfills. There are federal and local law prohibiting such practices. I will grant you that older landfills were a problem, but that's been addressed.

Also, A. Clark Wiseman of Spokane's Gonzaga University, calculated that, at the current rate of solid waste generation, the nation's entire solid waste for the next 1,000 years could be buried in a single landfill 100 yards high and 35 miles square.

So much for running out of room.

[bryfry]

Originally Posted by JViello

Labels have their place, as do stereotypes. Most contain some truth to them good bad or indifferent.

Same goes for the three articles you linked to.

[CometVoyager]

[quote=JViello;2558794]Toxic material does not go to landfills.

Sorry JViello, that is just not a factual statement, as millions of tons of toxic household waste each year alone are thrown away eventually winding up in New Hampshire, as well as other states, Landfills. There are many household items that are known to Hydrologists and the EPA as well that will dissolve the bottom liner of landfills, even when the bottom liners are doubled up. It may take a few years to dissolve the liner but if you don't mind leaving all this nasty garbage around for you children and grand children, (assuming you do have kids), to clean up and to be subject to then you and the economists are on the right course of "Let's Just Trash the Neighborhood!"

Also, A. Clark Wiseman of Spokane's Gonzaga University,

JViello! Get your head out of the sand! Clark Wiseman is not an Environmental Scientist, hydrologist, geologist or have any expertise in Earth Science! He is an Economist!

If you and others continue evaluating the necessity and safety of Landfills by what an Economist or Politician says, then There Goes the Neighborhood and you don't mind leaving all your garbage and polluted water for your kids or grand children!

[JViello]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

JViello!Get your head out of the sand! Clark Wiseman is not an Environmental Scientist, hydrologist, geologist or have any expertise in Earth Science! He is an Economist![/b]

How does that change basic math? It is what it is...what he wrote is true. Take emotions out of it.

What exact toxic materials are you talking about? Perhaps we are not talking about the same thing. I dont' consider methane a toxic material.

Can you link me to some information about a modern landfill contaminating a water supply?

Thanks.

P.S. All the crazy colors make your posts hard to read. FYI

[Niners fan]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

All trash in NH would be recycled rather than dumped into toxic landfills.

Well now you have piqued my interest, O CometVoyager...

What percentage of normal household waste is recyclable? And how much is recyclable from a practical standpoint? (By "practical" I mean easy enough that most people would do it and cost-effective enough to make sense.)

[CometVoyager]

[quote=JViello;2563212]How does that change basic math? It is what it is...what he wrote is true. Take emotions out of it.
JViello, what does basic math have to do with Ground Water contamination? If your argument is about the economics of recycling alone and does not factor in the cost of clean up including the over all environmental health cost and impact of having landfills then you have a very weak argument and you are clearly not considering the long term generational impacts of your argument. There are no emotions with my argument rather only science. I am not an economist; I am a hydrologist and geologist.

It is also irrelevant and absurd to apply an economic argument regarding the cost effectiveness of recycling as opposed to maintaining a thorough and comprehensive recycling program that saves the environment from the environmental hazards of landfills. Landfills are a big business as is garbage collection and because of the profits and capital Landfills generate of course there is a lot of resistance to shut them down, as Landfill Lobbyists put a lot of money in politician’s pockets.

What exact toxic materials are you talking about? Perhaps we are not talking about the same thing. I dont' consider methane a toxic material.
Can you link me to some information about a modern landfill contaminating a water supply?

When I say Landfills leach out many toxic materials into our fresh water supplies I was not referring to methane. More so Phenols, Cresols, from paint, Mercury & Lead (From your CFL Light Bulbs and other sources as well), cadmium compounds, arsenic, methyl ethyl ketones, trichloroethylene (TCE real nasty stuff!) to mention a few toxins. In addition, different types of bacteria and other potential pathogens from landfills will eventually find there way into our ground water supply.

If you would like to find out more about ground water contamination and the environmental health hazards of Landfills, you can just do a Google and it will probably lead you to a wealth of information. However, I personally subscribe to The Journal of Contaminant Hydrology, Journal of Hydrology, and Journal of Hydrological Engineering but you can access a recent local study of the Coakley Landfill from Greenland and North Hampton NH. I hope that this information will help enlighten you to the long-term severity of landfills and you may reevaluate your support of the Global Warming Hucksters! Good luck!

Find New England Sites - COAKLEY LANDFILL

This one from Indiana is a little less technical if it helps;
Landfills