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Old 01-25-2008, 08:11 AM
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Not true. Try living in California. Better yet, try Maine. They have the highest state/local tax burden in the nation yet the schools are atrocious and the roads/services are not much better.
Or try New Jersey. They have an income tax, sales tax and outrageous property taxes. Their sales tax-among many other hidden taxes- was raised 2 years ago with the promise of significant property tax relief-never happened. So King Corzine-the govenor-is holding a ridiculous toll increase over their head-threatening their will be no property tax relief until his "master toll plan" is approved. They also have a HUGE deficit and their pension system is all but broke. They do have some of the highest taxes in the country however.

Once they get hold of your $$ they always want more never less. Gee NJ has a sales tax and a income tax but their property taxes far blow away any property tax in New Hampshire. More taxes does not equate to more or better services for the working people. More taxes usually equates to more governmental do-nothing jobs and more hand outs/entitlements to those who refuse to get off of their butt and work.


Also-higher school taxes do not always equate with better schools. Yes they do-sometimes. While I agree that in NH some of the best schools are towns with high property taxes, there are also towns with "poor" schools who have high property taxes. Throwing $$ at a failing school will not fix that school unless there are people there-educators, students and parents-who care and want to actually make a difference.

Camden, NJ is continually in the running of the school that receives the most funding per pupil. It is one of the worst schools in the country. It would be a miracle if 50% of the kids graduated. Moorestown NJ a nearby school that spends probably half per pupil than Camden does but is one of the better schools . Throwing tons of $$ at a problem will not fix the problem if you have corruption and people who do not care. You still have the bleeding hearts that think Camden need MORE $$.
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Old 01-25-2008, 08:21 AM
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Sparky - both California and Maine are controlled by big business on a State level and do not see any reson to waste tax money on "local" issues like schools and back roads.
<cough>BS!<cough>

Not hardly--which "businesses" control CA? Which ones control Maine?

The Illuminati demands an answer!

Fact is, both those states are run by tax-and-spend pandering liberals. CA spends over 12K a year per student, yet has some of the lowest test scores in the country. Maine isn't much better.
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The Old Man might have disappeared naturally long ago. There were anchors and bolts all over it. Some have a theory that the bolts actually helped the ice to form inside and weakened the rocks even further.


I have a lot of pictures of it. I ski at Cannon a lot, and would stop and snap a photo almost every time. I miss it. The indian head is still there.

Who gets taxed after they die? If you're talking about inheritance tax, that is not your income, that is new income going to the inheritors. They get taxed and then only if it's more than $2M in inheritance. $4M if you are a couple.
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A common anti-socialist statement that forgets that the government can and will take everything away from you even if it didn't give it to you in the first place. They can also take your children and send them to fight in foreign wars, they tax you after you are dead, and provide the best medical coverage for themselves with your money while telling you to go buy your own.

Which is why we have that little thing called the SECOND Amendment. The Founding Fathers put it in not as protection from each other or invading armies, but rather as a way for the people to defend themselves from a tyrannical government.

I should think that they'd be outraged at what we've done to their words and deeds.
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Not true. Try living in California. Better yet, try Maine. They have the highest state/local tax burden in the nation yet the schools are atrocious and the roads/services are not much better.
I never said that all places choose to spend their money in the appropriate places. I am just simply saying that if you want better schools and amenities, than you need to spend more money. Unless you find a lot of people willing to work for free.
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Start a new thread guys. You are hi-jacking this one.
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Old 01-25-2008, 11:41 AM
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I never said that all places choose to spend their money in the appropriate places. I am just simply saying that if you want better schools and amenities, than you need to spend more money. Unless you find a lot of people willing to work for free.

Also not true. Using education as just one example, why is it that parochial private schools turn out a better-educated student than a public school for less than 2/3 the cost per student?

(Hint: Can you say "administrative overhead"?)
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Low administrative overhead is another word for the teachers and administrators working for free. Also indoctrinate does not necessarily equal better educated.

As an example of self imposed taxes I will mention my condo annual meeting. We pay $240 per month. Less than one third of the owners show up or send proxy to the meeting. I always vote in favor because I realize I am getting a real bargain because this fee covers all the annoying stuff involved with owning a house. I get the place painted, roofed, the roads plowed and walks shoveled, and the 30 acre lawn mowed. All for $240 per month. Not a bad deal at all.
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Low administrative overhead is another word for the teachers and administrators working for free. Also indoctrinate does not necessarily equal better educated.

As an example of self imposed taxes I will mention my condo annual meeting. We pay $240 per month. Less than one third of the owners show up or send proxy to the meeting. I always vote in favor because I realize I am getting a real bargain because this fee covers all the annoying stuff involved with owning a house. I get the place painted, roofed, the roads plowed and walks shoveled, and the 30 acre lawn mowed. All for $240 per month. Not a bad deal at all.
Wow 240 a month! In some places that would be rent or a huge chunk of it! New England prices still baffle me.
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Wow 240 a month! In some places that would be rent or a huge chunk of it! New England prices still baffle me.
Ah yes, the joys of socialism...paying for what's not yours. You have to understand that some people don't mind giving up their freedom because then it means they don't have to think.

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