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Old 06-05-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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There are fewer kids, plus a very low unemployment rate. My 16-year-old has a job
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Old 06-05-2017, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Ah, the ol' "I worked my way through College" I've had to hear over and over.

In 1976 my father's state tuition was <$900 a semester, he bought a 4 year old Buick Gran Sport for $800 and insured it for $160, gas cost $.60/gallon, all the while pulling $7.50/hr ($10.75 Sundays) at Stop & Shop as a stock boy.

In 2003 my state tuition was $6k a semester, I bought a 13 year old Miata for $4k and insured it for $2,300 (with zero infractions), gas cost $3.20/gallon, all the while pulling $8/hr (12/hr Sundays) at Stop & Shop as a front end 'manager' and $12/hr at my CO-OP.

Let me guess - you also had bank CDs earning 10%+ too? Before you slag the kids too hard, do realize they're living a reality different from yours. Few are asking for posh dorm rooms and glistening gyms - they're just looking for an edge in this high competitive market.

Gran Sport. And 1972 would be the last year of the Skylark bodied GS, in 73 the Century nameplate took over
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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Awful guess. I just graduated in 2011. I'm living this life with them. I'm talking about MY generation and the kids slightly younger than me.
Having seen your ads in NH, I know well you're not 22. Regardless, my point stands - kids, particularly those without significant financial support, are faced with high costs and low wages. The 'smart' and able ones pursue low wage jobs (i.e., internships/co-ops) which translate into some resume building. To deride kids choosing a focus on school or internships over a crap wage in a coastal town shows a great amount arrogance.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Having seen your ads in NH, I know well you're not 22. Regardless, my point stands - kids, particularly those without significant financial support, are faced with high costs and low wages. The 'smart' and able ones pursue low wage jobs (i.e., internships/co-ops) which translate into some resume building. To deride kids choosing a focus on school or internships over a crap wage in a coastal town shows a great amount arrogance.
Do you even math bro? LOL. Been six years since 2011. Rare for anyone to graduate college before 22. Anyways, I worked and have a bunch of student loans. No privilege here. Just telling you what I saw when I was in school. But I digress and am done arguing with you.


Everyone else engaging in this thread, I challenge you to spend fifteen minutes watching this video. Lot's of great insight here.


Simon Sinek on Millenials in the Workplace.
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Old 06-05-2017, 12:33 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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Well, I only know a few college age kids. All girls. One worked her way through grad school in retail and her parents helped too. Another one had an internship, helping her professor write a book, but is now taking time off to work retail and see what the real world is like. She lives at home so no rent, no food purchases. I think she knows what she's doing and that she intends to return to college.

Their parents' generation would have been the ones who worked summer jobs at the beach.

I guess a lot of them have their heads on straight and know that they have to be competitive. Our (older) generation worked at whatever jobs we could get because any experience was "good" experience. It demonstrated that we could show up on time, hang in there, learn a new job, take directions, get along with co-workers---and those attributes are very important for employment. Employment shouldn't be all about one piece of paper and very limited experience.

I'm kind of disappointed to think that American kids don't get the chance to work in the "real world" that much anymore. Not that it was all fun and games but you got to meet people from all walks of life and it broadened your outlook. But, from these responses, it's obvious that the world has REALLY changed.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Do you even math bro? LOL. Been six years since 2011. Rare for anyone to graduate college before 22. Anyways, I worked and have a bunch of student loans. No privilege here. Just telling you what I saw when I was in school. But I digress and am done arguing with you.


Everyone else engaging in this thread, I challenge you to spend fifteen minutes watching this video. Lot's of great insight here.


Simon Sinek on Millenials in the Workplace.
I do love a Sinek talk. I originally injected myself into this thread because of smug little comments such as this:

"Also kids these days have access to the federal credit card (student loans). Why work at all as long as you are enrolled in college? Get living paid for too. A four-year summer camp."

Comments like this neither reflect reality or are fair to my generation. The bulk of the 'millenials' I know are either pursuing undergrad and/or grad degrees and value relevant internships/co-ops over income (i.e., valuing earning potential over short term profits). Those not taking this path are pursuing skilled/licensed trades (e.g., HVAC, electrical, etc.). They are not enjoying a 'four-year summer camp'; they are actively trying to avoid the menial low wage jobs which those lacking a degree often find themselves in.

Are there lazy, entitled, elitist, arrogant, deplorable 'millenials' inhabiting our campuses? Sure, but I'd venture to say every generation has their share. But to write off a generation as lazy because they choose to college debt versus working the fry-o-lator at the local clam shack? Come on - it's just not reality. They're hustling, just for different goals and a different jobs landscape.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I do love a Sinek talk. I originally injected myself into this thread because of smug little comments such as this:

"Also kids these days have access to the federal credit card (student loans). Why work at all as long as you are enrolled in college? Get living paid for too. A four-year summer camp."

Comments like this neither reflect reality or are fair to my generation. The bulk of the 'millenials' I know are either pursuing undergrad and/or grad degrees and value relevant internships/co-ops over income (i.e., valuing earning potential over short term profits). Those not taking this path are pursuing skilled/licensed trades (e.g., HVAC, electrical, etc.). They are not enjoying a 'four-year summer camp'; they are actively trying to avoid the menial low wage jobs which those lacking a degree often find themselves in.

Are there lazy, entitled, elitist, arrogant, deplorable 'millenials' inhabiting our campuses? Sure, but I'd venture to say every generation has their share. But to write off a generation as lazy because they choose to college debt versus working the fry-o-lator at the local clam shack? Come on - it's just not reality. They're hustling, just for different goals.

Mmm..how many of them do you work with? Train? Yeah we have always had layabouts just seems more prevalent these days
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Unfortunately, I will venture to say that "most"— instead of "many" — young people have been sold a bill of goods. Strictly looking at it from a financial and economical viewpoint, college is just not worth it. Like me, scores of people are getting useless degrees that will not provide them with a wage in that degree/field that will allow them to get ahead and prosper. Multiple degrees, internships, and such like MIGHT help you land a 50k- to 100k-a-year job, but when you are saddled with 50k-300k+ in student loans, you are worse off then the person who did not go to college and found a trade instead.

There is a bubble in higher education. The numbers do not add up. For most people it's simply not worth it to attend college and the sooner parents and society snap out of it and realize the reality of the situation, the sooner poor, impressionable youth will stop being pushed into a system that is going to enslave them to debt for the rest of their lives.

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Old 06-05-2017, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Unfortunately, I will venture to say that "most" instead of "many" young people have been sold a bill of goods. Strictly looking at it from a financial and economical viewpoint, college is just not worth it. Like me, scores of people are getting useless degrees that will not provide them with a wage in that degree/field that will allow them to get ahead and prosper. Multiple degrees, internships, and such like MIGHT help you land a 50k- to 100k-a-year job, but when you are saddled with 50k-300k+ in student loans, you are worse off then the person who did not go to college and found a trade instead.

There is a bubble in higher education. The numbers do not add up. For most people it's simply not worth it to attend college and the sooner parents and society snap out of it and realize the reality of the situation, the sooner poor, impressionable youth will stop being pushed into a system that is going to enslave them to debt for the rest of their lives.
Last time I said that I was figuratively skinned alive
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Old 06-05-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Gran Sport. And 1972 would be the last year of the Skylark bodied GS, in 73 the Century nameplate took over
The price he paid sounds low, unless the car was beat to crap. The $7.50/hour was crew leader wages in the union factory I worked in 1977 (4.35/hour was beginning rate with either a nickel or dime shift differential, time and a half on Sundays).
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