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Old 07-05-2017, 07:51 PM
miu
 
Location: MA/NH
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I am not being sarcastic. I know French and German. Even vacationing to Europe, it's better to use English, although it has been fun to be at a business meeting in Germany and listen in to the conversations of my hosts, who assume I don't know German!

If you are at all involved in Business, especially tech and biomedical/pharm, english is the universal language. Been there, done that...
That is very true. English is the universal language for science and business. It's not a myth. Knowing Spanish is fine if one wants to be a dishwasher or any of the other bottom level BOH jobs in the hospitality business or to manage those workers.
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Barrington, NH!
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That is very true. English is the universal language for science and business. It's not a myth. Knowing Spanish is fine if one wants to be a dishwasher or any of the other bottom level BOH jobs in the hospitality business or to manage those workers.
This is not true. Yes, you can converse a bit in English in many areas of Europe, but if you want to be taken seriously and respected you'll converse in their language as much as you can. I lived in Europe for 2 years.

What about Asian countries? I'd think those languages would be pretty important to know in the business world since they are so economically powerful. Who says English is going to be the dominant language 30 years from now? These are more examples of how short-sighted NH'ites can be just to try and save a buck.

With the changing demographics of the US, knowing Spanish will only become more and more valuable at all levels of the economy.

This is my opinion. I am not a linguist or an educational analyst....
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Old 07-06-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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These are more examples of how short-sighted NH'ites can be just to try and save a buck.
So true.

Promises made by the New Hampshire legislature. Contracts. Agreements.

New Hampshire has the largest legislature in the country. All elect these people.
The NH legislature is not paid. But the legislatures have expense payment and FREE pass at the toll roads.
Start there. Take any payments away from the legislature and take away their FREE pass at the toll roads.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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This is not true. Yes, you can converse a bit in English in many areas of Europe, but if you want to be taken seriously and respected you'll converse in their language as much as you can. I lived in Europe for 2 years.
Surely you're not suggesting that a person must learn 3 major and many minor languages to be taken seriously? Germans could care less about your HS French. You may not know this but English has become the language of business, especially in Europe,

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What about Asian countries? I'd think those languages would be pretty important to know in the business world since they are so economically powerful. Who says English is going to be the dominant language 30 years from now? These are more examples of how short-sighted NH'ites can be just to try and save a buck.
It's interesting that because there are so many major languages within some countries in asia (China and India come to mind) that there's even more pressure to learn English. Just before the Olympics in Beijing some years back, I was there on business. My cab driver wanted to practice English with me. Even the radio stations had learn English programs on. If you knew anything about Asian languages, you'd know that languages like Hindi, Mandarin and Japanese are extremely difficult to learn. Nationals of those countries know that no one else speaks Japanese, for example, so they welcome English. It's the way Asians communicate across borders, too.
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With the changing demographics of the US, knowing Spanish will only become more and more valuable at all levels of the economy.
If you think current efforts to get control our borders will fail, then you may be right. Otherwise, over time Spanish will decrease in value in the US. Nice to know for South America trips, though.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:14 AM
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This is not true. Yes, you can converse a bit in English in many areas of Europe, but if you want to be taken seriously and respected you'll converse in their language as much as you can. I lived in Europe for 2 years.

What about Asian countries? I'd think those languages would be pretty important to know in the business world since they are so economically powerful. Who says English is going to be the dominant language 30 years from now? These are more examples of how short-sighted NH'ites can be just to try and save a buck.

With the changing demographics of the US, knowing Spanish will only become more and more valuable at all levels of the economy.

This is my opinion. I am not a linguist or an educational analyst....
Are you a scientist, doctor or running a large company that sells internationally? America's top schools like Harvard (University, Medical, Business and Engineering), Stamford, MIT are highly desirable globally. As are the top schools in the UK like Oxford. And the most important financial centers are NYC and Chicago for the stock exchanges, and also in London. Then for many international people, buying real estate in the US, Canada and the UK as an investment because all those countries are so stable and desirable to live in. So for MANY reasons, English is a much more important language to have as a first or second language than Spanish... even though Spanish may be the most widely spoken language in the world.

And the dominance of both English and Spanish (perhaps followed by Portuguese and French) is because of past colonization all over the world by Europeans, and then the English speaking countries being at the forefront of knowledge.

BTW are we to feel guilty about thinking English the most important language to know on the planet? Is this a variation of white guilt? Otherwise, I am all for everyone being multi-lingual, my parents are (English, Mandarin, Spanish and Portuguese, one also knowing Japanese, the other French).

Across cultures, English is the word - The New York Times
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Old 07-06-2017, 01:40 PM
 
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It appears that CA my state is not the only one ruined by public employee union greed. Private sectors have learned to do more with less. It's time government bureaucracies do the same. Start with cutting spending at all level from the top down. Education is important but things that don't work should be eliminated. I read something about arts, music, and other stuff here. Yeah, most of that is useless. For some of the kids, the whole thing is useless. if a student is going work a minimum wage job after high school, then what good was that high school education? Is it even needed? A lot of money and time could be saved there. But let's get back to the topic of change. It will take a political firestorm from the voters to affect change and good luck with that because the most powerful and organized voter groups are, guess what, public employee unions. I don't know how it works in other states, but in CA public employee unions get their way at the polls almost every time.

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Old 07-06-2017, 04:23 PM
 
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It appears that CA my state is not the only one ruined by public employee union greed.
Invalid talking points from someplace.

The citizen elected New Hampshire Legislation provides and approves all of this for state employees. Yes, the voter elected New Hampshire Legislature.
Someone elected the NH legislature.

Teachers bargain with each town/district with the citizen elected school boards. This is two sides coming to an agreement. Two sides, get it? The school boards are people elected to represent the citizenry. I'd like to know if anyone reading here ever went to any school board meeting. And if so, how many?

All get what they voted for.

Don't like what the legislature is doing - vote them out. And run for office yourself. Same goes for local school boards.

Time for a civics lesson for some here.
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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It appears that CA my state is not the only one ruined by public employee union greed. Private sectors have learned to do more with less. It's time government bureaucracies do the same. Start with cutting spending at all level from the top down. Education is important but things that don't work should be eliminated. I read something about arts, music, and other stuff here. Yeah, most of that is useless. For some of the kids, the whole thing is useless. if a student is going work a minimum wage job after high school, then what good was that high school education? Is it even needed? A lot of money and time could be saved there. But let's get back to the topic of change. It will take a political firestorm from the voters to affect change and good luck with that because the most powerful and organized voter groups are, guess what, public employee unions. I don't know how it works in other states, but in CA public employee unions get their way at the polls almost every time.
A) Private sectors have learned to do more with less. Yes, at the expense of workers. Meanwhile, c-suite incomes have made significant gains.

B) I read something about arts, music, and other stuff here. Yeah, most of that is useless. You know what the top performers from my graduating class all have in common? They supplemented their core studies with 'the arts'. The future success of this country relies on graduating critical and creative thinkers and the arts play a fundamental role in fostering creative/abstract thinking. My arts degree is netting me $130K gross as a 30-something. My peers in UX/Design are finding equal success. Can't say the same for the non-specialists with generic biz degrees.

If anything, k-12 and higher ed needs more diversity in it's training. Trades and creative services are booming, but few schools output students with a foundation in these industries.
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Old 07-10-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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B) The future success of this country relies on graduating critical and creative thinkers and the arts play a fundamental role in fostering creative/abstract thinking.

My peers in UX/Design are finding equal success. .
Maybe you can explain to me what this "creative/abstract thinking" is and why humanities are such a great way to learn it. Folks learn a tremendous amount of logical/rational reasoning in the sciences, BTW.

UX/Design research? Daughter works at Facebook in the field with a science related Ph.D. Many ways to skin a cat, I suspect.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington, NH!
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A) Private sectors have learned to do more with less. Yes, at the expense of workers. Meanwhile, c-suite incomes have made significant gains.

B) I read something about arts, music, and other stuff here. Yeah, most of that is useless. You know what the top performers from my graduating class all have in common? They supplemented their core studies with 'the arts'. The future success of this country relies on graduating critical and creative thinkers and the arts play a fundamental role in fostering creative/abstract thinking. My arts degree is netting me $130K gross as a 30-something. My peers in UX/Design are finding equal success. Can't say the same for the non-specialists with generic biz degrees.

If anything, k-12 and higher ed needs more diversity in it's training. Trades and creative services are booming, but few schools output students with a foundation in these industries.
You're wasting your breath on this forum, I'm afraid. If it were up to many in this state, there would be no public schools at all and we'd be back in medieval times.
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