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Old 01-01-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Southern New Hampshire
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We have a fireplace wood-burning stove insert and a free-standing wood stove and have been using both this past week. It is more of a supplement to the forced hot water heating system than a primary. The insert is on the main level and keeps the living room, dining room & kitchen toasty, but doesn't reach the bedrooms. The wood stove is in the basement and easily keeps the area at around 65 degrees.

We're considering a move in the next few years and a woodstove or insert (or possibility for an insert) is something that will be valuable to us in our next home. However, be aware that heating with wood is a lot of work (splitting, stacking, carrying in, sweeping out ashe's, etc) plus constantly cleaning/sweeping up pieces of bark, pine needles, etc. Its a labor of love, as today I am recovering from our annual NYE gathering with my feet up in front of a cozy fire

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I'm looking at property in NH and noticed many homes have a wood burning stove. Do many of y'all use stoves for heat?
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Old 01-02-2018, 08:42 AM
 
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The economics of natural gas distribution is way different at 200 people per square mile than it is at 2000 people per square mile. The gas companies won't build infrastructure in regions where they can't offer gas at a competitive price - to do otherwise would be business suicide.
I live in southern New Hampshire, where the population density is higher than most of the country, yet no natural gas. Use of natural gas for heat is much more common in the Midwest than in the Northeast, so the correlation to population density is essentially the opposite of what you claim. In fact, the Northeast is really the only region that uses heating oil to any degree.
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Old 01-03-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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The economics of natural gas distribution is way different at 200 people per square mile than it is at 2000 people per square mile. The gas companies won't build infrastructure in regions where they can't offer gas at a competitive price - to do otherwise would be business suicide.
I posted the photo below in the Vermont forum to show that many rural areas have natural gas availability. To the right of the cellar door is a gas meter. The address of the house is 34 Skytop Road, Coudersport, PA. Look it up on a map and you will see that it is in the middle of nowhere just south of the New York State line.


New England is the most underserved region of the USA WRT natural gas distribution lines. A big infrastructure bill is in the works and natural gas expansion should be a part of the plan. But with politicians like Maura Healy and environmental wackos standing in the way of expansion, it looks doubtful. And right now, many areas of Massachusetts with nat gas infrastructure in place have moratoriums on new hook ups because there isn't enough pipeline capacity.


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Old 01-03-2018, 01:27 PM
 
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Well considering that Potter County where that house is located is one of the largest natural gas fracking areas in the country, I'm not surprised there is gas piped to the homes. It's also out in the middle of farmland where the digging is easy.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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I live in southern New Hampshire, where the population density is higher than most of the country, yet no natural gas. Use of natural gas for heat is much more common in the Midwest than in the Northeast, so the correlation to population density is essentially the opposite of what you claim. In fact, the Northeast is really the only region that uses heating oil to any degree.
Below is a map of natural gas infrastructure overlaid onto a population density map. If you look at New England, you will see that the natural gas infrastructure coincides oddly well with where the population density is. What is your explanation for that, given that you don't believe gas companies want to put in service where lots of customers are?

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Old 01-03-2018, 04:16 PM
 
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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One of the issues with New England Natural Gas (I have NGas in my home), is that most of the Gas comes from up from "Texas", By the time the Gas get as far north as NY, The amount of Gas "Left" in the line is limited.
That's why there are 3 or 4 LNG tankers of gas that come into Boston each week in the winter. There is not enough capacity/supply in the pipelines that get to New England.

A huge build out of Natural Gas Lines in NH, would need to get supplied from somewhere Trillions of Cubic Feet of gas (LNG) would needed to be imported. The only current LNG terminal is in Boston and in cold snaps like we are having now are at max, It takes about 36 hours or so to unload a LNG tanker now. So as soon as one leaves another is pulling into offload. Goes on round the clock.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Below is a map of natural gas infrastructure overlaid onto a population density map. If you look at New England, you will see that the natural gas infrastructure coincides oddly well with where the population density is. What is your explanation for that, given that you don't believe gas companies want to put in service where lots of customers are?
Now I know why we were stuck with electric in Eastern NC.
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:38 PM
 
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Now I know why we were stuck with electric in Eastern NC.
Electric? LOL.

No propane in your area? You dont grill food on a propane grill?

You have options other than electric.......
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Old 01-06-2018, 04:44 PM
 
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One of the issues with New England Natural Gas (I have NGas in my home), is that most of the Gas comes from up from "Texas", By the time the Gas get as far north as NY, The amount of Gas "Left" in the line is limited.

First off, there are huge quantities of nat gas in PA, which must remain in the ground because there is not enough demand. The extremist environmentalists killed the proposed pipelines to carry the gas to New England, where it is needed and wanted. Natural gas piped up from TX and the gulf coast first goes into storage. Nat gas is stored deep under the ground in salt caverns in PA, NY, WVA and KY. During the heating season, the gas is pressurized and released into the pipeline network serving the northeast, Midwest and parts of the south.


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That's why there are 3 or 4 LNG tankers of gas that come into Boston each week in the winter. There is not enough capacity/supply in the pipelines that get to New England.

As I noted before, there were interstate pipeline proposals to alleviate the shortage and provide for the expansion of nat gas distribution network, but that was killed. That ship board LPG is coming from the middle east and Indonesia and exacerbating out trade deficit. One engineer estimates that an LNG tanker explosion would be as powerful as 50 atomic bombs.


LNG tanker explosion would be as powerful as 50 atomic bombs

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A huge build out of Natural Gas Lines in NH, would need to get supplied from somewhere Trillions of Cubic Feet of gas (LNG) would needed to be imported. The only current LNG terminal is in Boston and in cold snaps like we are having now are at max, It takes about 36 hours or so to unload a LNG tanker now. So as soon as one leaves another is pulling into offload. Goes on round the clock.

Why import when there is a giant reserve of nat gas in the USA.
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Old 01-06-2018, 06:05 PM
 
Location: WMHT
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Thumbs down Pipeline across NH was about export, not about local distribution

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FThe extremist environmentalists killed the proposed pipelines to carry the gas to New England, where it is needed and wanted.
Environmentalists killed the pipeline, or did the drop in foreign NG demand and price kill the pipeline?

Northern New England's opposition to the Kinder Morgan natural gas pipeline (NED) was less because of environmental concerns than about the perception of risk, property value impact, and perceived lack of any local benefit from the the 30-inch high-pressure transmission pipeline -- the NED plan would have had minimal positive impact on local availability of NG and on local electricity prices.

NED was about export, not about local distribution:
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Kinder Morgan made its intentions clear in a 2014 press release. When asked if the NED pipeline would be used for export to Canada or overseas, the company’s answer was an indirect “yes.” It said, “There are currently four proposed liquefied natural gas (LNG) export projects in Atlantic Canada and one LNG export project in northern Maine that could find capacity on the NED Project useful to serve their proposed LNG export facilities.”
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