Will Obama win NH? (Lincoln: loan, to buy, school district)

[Suzet2262]

I dont want to close this thread, as it is important, but we all know how politics can turn very nasty. For some reason it brings out the worst in folks. Usually I will end up closing this type of thread...I have been asked by many to do just that. I am going to leave this one up to you guys. Can you all have a "nice" thread about Obama possibly winning NH?? I think everyones opinions are valid. As they should be in every thread...So I will leave it to you guys. We are a smart, kind bunch of people on this NH forum. One that I am happy to belong. Dont let the politics make it nasty. Anyway, yeh or nay on closing the thread???? If it remains open, I will close it the second it gets bad again. Thanks all. Oh and for all you folks who magically appear when there is the topic of politics, please behave yourself....

[mosrto]

Originally Posted by Suzet2262

I dont want to close this thread, as it is important, but we all know how politics can turn very nasty. For some reason it brings out the worst in folks. Usually I will end up closing this type of thread...I have been asked by many to do just that. I am going to leave this one up to you guys. Can you all have a "nice" thread about Obama possibly winning NH?? I think everyones opinions are valid. As they should be in every thread...So I will leave it to you guys. We are a smart, kind bunch of people on this NH forum. One that I am happy to belong. Dont let the politics make it nasty. Anyway, yeh or nay on closing the thread???? If it remains open, I will close it the second it gets bad again. Thanks all. Oh and for all you folks who magically appear when there is the topic of politics, please behave yourself....

I agree with you Suzet, Since i do not live in NH yet, and NH is a swing state, I personally would be content to see what the people of NH have to say, and keep my mouth shut.

[GregW]

I live in New Hampshire and I am working hard to get all the Democratic candidates elected. We really need to change the direction the federal government has been headed and to reinforce the direction the Democratic Party has started to lead the state.
I hope Senator Obama wins in New Hampshire.

[debbiej63]

I believe that both newspapers and the television news should just report the news. Period. Slanting the news either way distorts the truth. Opinions should belong on the editorial page, not the front page of the newspaper.



[quote=bryfry;4273775]What?! How is "what the Union Leader is doing", embarrassing? The left-leaning main stream news in this country is what's embarrassing. It constantly has been a bastion of hatred towards the right for as long as I can remember.

[Fishy]

id like to think so. tho i still see plenty of "support bush and our troops" signs out in redneck country

[Valerie C]

Against my better judgement, I'm going to comment on a political thread.

Debbie, I'm not picking on you, but I wanted to point out something that struck me on reading two of your recent posts...

In this thread you point out how much Obama has done for the city of Chicago... and basically are saying that you'd like to see Obama carry New Hampshire. However, I just finished reading another post by you in which you talk about the taxes, etc. in Chicago where you just moved from.

Originally Posted by debbiej63

I just moved to NH from the Chicago area, so I have been watching Obama for much longer than he was a national name. Obama backs up his words. He has done a lot of good for the city. He is always willing to look at other opinions and to evaluate his own views and choose what is now the better option. Things change. People need to work with those changes. I don't consider that flip flopping. I consider that as mature. Chicago has it's own political machine, and for some one like Obama who was never part of the political machine to be able to come in and get both sides to work together is amazing. Yes, he has made concessions, but without some concessions, nothing would get done in the political realm. That's not flip flopping, that's reality.
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As far as NH, I would hope that Obama carries it, but I don't think it is going to happen. I see almost nothing positive written about him in the Union Leader.

There's that word change again... I hear it over and over every time I make the mistake of turning on the TV, but nothing of substance seems to follow... I just don't get it... (sorry)

Originally Posted by debbiej63

I'm chuckling a bit listening to everyone talk about taxes so high here in NH. I just moved here from the Chicago area where my property taxes were $8500 a year on a house valued at $275,000. Plus we paid 3% income tax and sales tax that was just raised to 10.25%. I just bought a house in Weare where the property taxes were $4900 last year. Hmmmm..... $8500 + 3% income tax + 10% sales tax vs $4900... no contest. I'm happy to pay the $4900. My sister lives in a town in PA and she pays $3600 property taxes on a house only valued at $102,000. Sorry, just trying to put things in perspective.

Now, I'm not saying that the tax tax and more tax situation that you just left in Illinios has anything to do with Obama and the rest of the Democratic party (but the state IS largely Democrat, is it not??) I just couldn't help but notice that it sounds VERY familiar with the story I hear from soooo many people who leave Massachusetts (die hard Democrats, all) who want to live in New Hampshire to get away from all the taxes... and then turn around and vote for the same party who served up all those taxes. Big government depends on taxes on everything and anything... You may not be chuckling any more if your wish comes true and Obama wins it all and we in New Hampshire are dealing with income tax, sales tax and all the other taxes that the largely Democrat states are dealing with...


I'm hoping that this thread doesn't turn nasty, as I think a good debate is healthy, and you never know, minds can be changed with good enough arguments on either side! Convince me!!!

[GregW]

I find taxes are acceptable so long as the money is being used for things that directly benefit the taxpayer. I would pay more fuel tax if the money actually repaired the roads or provided mass transit. I would even pay an income tax if the money helped schools all over the state. What I really object to is taxes that (Ok, this is not a New Hampshire problem) fund the Republicans corporate cronies like Halliburton or the Blackwater mercenaries. For that matter I do not want my taxes funding Democratic corporate cronies either.

[rmcewan]

Originally Posted by Valerie C

There's that word change again... I hear it over and over every time I make the mistake of turning on the TV, but nothing of substance seems to follow... I just don't get it... (sorry)

On the other hand, you're familiar with Obama's slogan - which is kind of the point. What is McCain's? I'm not sure if he really has just one. "A leader we can believe in" "Ready to lead from day one". Only about as meaningful as Obama's. A slogan is just representative of the position of the candidate - it's not the position itself.

What does "57 Varieties" mean?

My campaign slogan would go something like: "Let Jets, Healthier Vets". Yes I know it needs work. It doesn't say "1. We have the best fighters in the world already, cancel the squillion dollar F22, JSF, and all the other cold war type projects and pay for better equipment for ground pounders for fighting today's conflicts. 2. Next, take the squillion or so you have in change and apply it to providing healthcare to everyone. I cannot stand that so many cannot get ANY healthare, including many Vets from every conflict since WWII".

So, climbing down from my soap box. Slogans are not policies. Nuf said.

[JFRRACING]

all i've got to say about this is look at the company obama keeps. very bad company ,very racial. and the rest seem to be a bunch of crooks. since when do you discuss poitics in church. not in any church i've ever been in. so you are only as good as the company you keep. i would never vote for more taxes and any one that would needs their head examend. taxes do not do good things for us , the tax payers. that's right, PAYERS. taxes always mean things get more exspensive. what do you think is going to happen when OBAMA puts more tax on oil? do you think that's going to make it cheaper for us ? huh, i dought it. also what is wrong with all these obama supporters making fun of and dissing mcain. those people have nothing to talk about they never even fought anything but with their spouses. so they need to sit down and shut up. that is dispicable to say such things about someone that's done more for our country then any of the ones making crude comments. mcain has done more for our country than obama ever will. he was defending our country when obama was still in diapers. so tell me what great things has obama done? huh, huh, ah, what. im listening. i thought so. NOTHING

[southward bound]

Originally Posted by rmcewan

On the other hand, you're familiar with Obama's slogan - which is kind of the point. What is McCain's? I'm not sure if he really has just one. "A leader we can believe in" "Ready to lead from day one". Only about as meaningful as Obama's. A slogan is just representative of the position of the candidate - it's not the position itself. ....

So, climbing down from my soap box. Slogans are not policies. Nuf said.

Indeed, slogans are not policies, therefore, while catchy, they are empty and meaningless.

Excellent post, Valerie.