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Old 08-29-2008, 02:08 PM
Location: Central Maine
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Originally Posted by rmcewan View Post
Those who resent paying taxes towards a school system .....
If you're talking about me, I do NOT resent paying taxes towards a school system. I'm just saying, once again, that the real estate taxes in New Hampshire, compared to what I am used to here, are very high, and people thinking about moving to NH should realize this prior to moving.

The tax picture is just one of a long list of factors we're looking at in considering which state, and which part of the state, we'd like to move to.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:57 PM
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I watched the state of Connecticut promise its citizens in the 90s that if Conn had an income tax the tax burden in the state would go down. We all know how that worked out. Connecticut is one of the highest taxed states in the nation.

Low taxes are the result of low spending, nothing else. Look at California......more taxes than you can count on all your fingers & toes and yet they still have budget troubles. We do it right up here, not perfect, but better than the rest.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:08 PM
Location: USA
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This is in response to Nicolem and some others. I totally agree to disagree. With all do respect I think you have to reevaluate the true definition of conservatism.

BTW, I wasn't advocating a sales or income tax but was just questioning the reason for putting it in the property tax instead.

If it were me I would like to remove all property tax and have revenue for the state education come from parents. You put two children into this world, now you pay for their private education. We are slowly degenerating into a "nanny" state with so called "free socialized education". Now all of a sudden Liberals are advocating "free socialized healthcare". Why don't we just work without salary and have the government pay for everything and turn into communist Russia! Since when is it a right to become educated or have health care! Income tax has always been unconstitutional but at least you guys adhere to it with your state. I also like the fact that you do not enforce helmet laws or car insurance which puts the responsibility in your hands instead of the government's... we just need to apply it to education as well! Trust me, NH is on the right track I am just trying to provide ideas to make it even better.

If you believe and have read John Lock you will understand that our country was initially founded on life, liberty and the persuit of PROPERTY! California has many taxes for pretty much everything you can imagine. Because the cost of living is so high with home prices and property taxes with the highest sales and income tax it forces a renting society, not one that embraces property ownership. When you have to pay nearly 10k per annum for property tax I feel that I invested all this money into a home just so I can continue to pay rent... be glad you don't have HOA (Home owners Association fees yet)!

Secondly, I believe the state of NH to only have one problem and that is how you conduct the fairness in how your property tax code is set up. From what I understand, if you live in northern NH with less schools you pay less then in areas with more schools in the south. California only has only one good law and it came from the people practically revolting to pass it and that is "proposition 13" where you pay 1% on the true market value of your home and it is locked in with no more than a 2% increase per annum.

Ex. you buy a 400k home your first year you pay 4k property tax. Your second year cannot go up more than 2% or $80.

If NH could set up something like this and then if you live in the north your house might be valued at 200k and you pay 2k tax but if you live in the south your home might be valued at 800k and you pay 8k. My point is to base it on market value instead of a socialist type program like education.

If you advocate for this one change in the property tax system without implamenting the sales or income tax I am sure you will have enough revenue. Besides, if the town of Keene is not providing services now with the high property tax you might as well pay less property taxes and still not get those services.

Trust me, it would be less expensive if you lowered the property tax and paid for your own children's education. This way it is fair. BTW you also lower the costs because you don't have to pay for the education and dumbing down of the system via illegal immigration. You would also have the unions stripped away from the teachers and allow them to be paid more than 30k per year and have the ability to fire them if they do not permorm. Californians are paying for the education of millions of illegals. Also, 15% of your health insurance premium is paying for illegals as well. As a matter of fact your current insurance premium in NH is paying for the illegals in CA!!! "We the people" can stop illegal immigration by shutting down all the programs.

I know I am going to get flammed for this post but I opened this up into the NH forum because A.) I really wanna get the hell out of CA and B.) the California forum would probably shut down my thread.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:30 PM
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jja100 you make a lot of good points. Many of us NH residents are sensitive when we hear someone mention how high they think our property taxes are without taking into account our overall tax burden....which is very low. When & if you move here just be careful about the town you pick. There are many low tax towns in NH
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:55 PM
Location: USA
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I just want to make clear that I am against the implementation of a state income tax or sales tax. Some individuals misinterpreted my statement in my first post when I briefly mentioned those two forms of taxes as an alternative to the property tax.

Also, I am a first generation American. My father is an Italian born in Italy (escaping socialism btw) and my mother French Candian and we come from a long line of hunters (both in Italy and Canada). In Canada dear and bears were hunted, in Italy pheasant and rabbit using a Spinone (Italian hunting dog). I know you guys probly use the German Shorthair Pointer.

The things I despise about CA are all the taxes, demographics, green environmentalism being constantly shoved down our throats, dante's inferno for 360/365 days per year for our weather, lack of change of season, and most importantly the materialistic self centered people with 65 year old hags walking around with fake breasts and on their fourth marriage because living in a community property state has allowed women to marry and divorce and make 100's of thousands of dollars. There are no family values here.... coming from a european background we are really strict about eating out since we cook better and use foods grown from our vegetable garden. We haven't been able to take up hunting cause it takes too long to commute to a hunting location and there are very little rights here in California for that type of lifestyle.

Do my values and way of life coincide with NH citizens? Or am I just out of my mind for thinking the way I do?
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:45 PM
Location: IE, ca
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Originally Posted by rmcewan View Post
Would the $435K house in Keene be comparable to the $435K house in your N. VA county?

We were paying about $2500/yr Los Angeles County prop tax on the house we sold in CA. However, that is only because L.A. caps the rate at which your tax can increase as your property appreciates. The rate is 11.75 per $1000 - that's higher than many NH towns. The chap buying it will be paying $9,000 /yr for the same house because a new valuation kicks in on the $735K we sold for. That house was 1600 sq ft on a 60x100 ft lot. Our household CA income taxes were > 19K/yr and we paid 8.25% sales tax on almost everything.

To have the home we have in NH back in Los Angeles County, we'd have needed to pay about $1.5M, with $7000+/mth mortgage and about $18K/yr property tax. + insurance premiums covering earthquake and forest fire.

THAT'S a significant difference.

Great Points rmcewan,

That is true California living. Many more types of taxes just hidden in many different languages. We will soon be experiencing 9.25% sales tax thanks to the fiscal mess California is in.

Where does it end?

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Old 08-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Location: NH and lovin' it!
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Good thread here and good responses! I am also considering moving to NH and eventually buying a house so the info is very helpful.
Just one thought on school taxes: For people who don't have children or they are grown, and for everyone else, school taxes really are on a pay-back basis. In other words, someone paid for YOU to go to school, so the students today need us to pay for their education in our public systems. Making exceptions for people who send their kids to private school just takes away from the (probably) poorer children/families who need it. Also, I think that giving senior citizens breaks on those same taxes makes sense because they probably have already paid into the system for many decades.
Just MHO.
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:08 PM
Location: USA
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I agree, tax breaks for the elderly are good. But my education wasn't paid for by others because I went to private school. Secondly, as for the poor that need it, a large portion of our poverty in this country comes from illegal immigration (which shouldn't be entitled to it in the first place).

Secondly, the poor tend to procreate more which adds to the current education dilemma. If it weren't free you might see a decrease in population across the board which we need anyway so that we Americans can live a better quality of life. Besides, the current education system that we have isn't worth 3 cents. The private school that I went to started teaching us French in the first grade as well as multiplying and dividing basics. This isn't tought untill the 3rd and even 4th grade here in the public schools. For all I know now in California they are probably teaching the white students Spanish so they know how to communicate with their gardener.
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:10 PM
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Also the "pay-back" theory doesn't work... we have seen that with how well social security works. As illegal immigration increases along with other population increases you will see fewer people pay for more people therefore increasing the tax burden significantly.
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenGene View Post
But I also am concerned about the high property taxes. I know the reasons for the high taxes .... to make up for no state income tax or sales tax, to provide good schools, etc. The taxes are just so much higher than I'm used to (Northern Virginia - not the cheapest place to live by any stretch) that to see a house that would really suit us well, and then to see the annual property taxes on it .... well, it's jarring.
Hello fellow NoVa relocatee... My wife and I just moved up here (well, a year ago) from Arlington and previously Ashburn.

The housing market up here is so "different" in NoVa it was very much "pick an area", "pick a style home", "buy"... Up here every house/property is unique for the most part. So it's really pick a few areas...then see what house you like.

Some "cost of living" comparisons for you:
Car Insurance- about equal
Alcohol- MUCH cheaper
Store Bought Food- Cheaper due to no Sales Tax, MUCH higher quality
Eating Out- Comparable
Gasoline- Slightly Cheaper
Hired Work (electricians, etc)- Much Lower Labor Rates
Houses- Different, we have a 2500sq. ft, 33 year old contemporary on 4.5 in a great town not far from "everything" for the price of a 3200sq.ft. 4 bedroom townhouse in Ashburn.
Income Tax- We both work in MA, so we get screwed here.
Purchasing "Stuff"- No sales tax...so obviously cheaper.

If you really do the math you basically "save" 11% with Income/Sales tax alone. Given that property taxes here are maybe $10k (in a town with "higher" taxes for NH) on a home that's ballpark $6k in most of NoVa...you easily will end up with a lower cost of living up here. As long as your home is properly insulated and has a fairly efficient heating system you will also be able to make up most of your extra heating costs with the decreased cooling costs...

Everyone else- sorry to be slightly off topic (sorta), got excited seeing a fellow NoVa person...
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