Workforce Housing law (Manchester, Nashua, Derry: apartment, rentals, homes)

[CometVoyager]

Originally Posted by Brave Stranger

Your post has nothing to do with what I was talking about which is the injection of "race" into political debates by the left for cheap debate "points" and to try and silence, or shame the other side.

Brave Stranger, when you try to have any kind of discussion with someone who truly believes that 2 + 2 = 5 you ain't gonna get anywhere!

If this mass pathology continues to spread and contaminate the masses, as it did during late 1920's early 1930's Germany, the Minute Men will have to be resurrected and wipeup the mess and save the genteel.

[Brave Stranger]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

Brave Stranger, when you try to have any kind of discussion with someone who truly believes that 2 + 2 = 5 you ain't gonna get anywhere!

If this mass pathology continues to spread and contaminate the masses, as it did during late 1920's early 1930's Germany, the Minute Men will have to be resurrected and wipeup the mess and save the genteel.

There is a real inability on the left as you can see from jmatt's post to me in dealing with the reality of what I said. He/she goes right back to using "race". I, like nicolem was talking about the "injection" of race into debate. jmatt & others use race as a "first cause" What I mean by "first cause" is that they debate from the point of view that others, not them, are racist, and that we need to answer for this "condition" by explaining ourselves. It's almost hopeless....but I keep trying

[WannaComeHome]

Originally Posted by GregW

So housing for the folks that actually do the poorly paid and sometimes "Dirty Jobs" in this economy should automatically be sentenced to live in a slum because they obviously do not work hard enough to live in your pristine exurban town. Just the though of having to live next to a trash collector or a car painter frightens the sense out of you.

Oh I just know I"m going to regret this....

Greg (and apparently JMatt), you seem to confuse rights and privileges. Of course everyone feels they have a 'right' to whatever it is they want, and being human we don't like the thought of people being miserable and would like them to be happy. However, the only 'right' that is truly here, is the 'right' to try to achieve what you want (some call lit the pursuit of happiness clause - never called the attainment of happiness).

Yes, you certainly have a right to try to buy a house anywhere you want regardless of race, creed, orientation, career or whatever else you can think of. However, you are not guaranteed whatever it is you want just because you want it. There is nothing wrong with being a car painter (I live beside one myself, and used to have a friend who was also very talented at it), or a trash collector or whatever other "dirty job" Mike Rowe plays around at. And no, just because that's what someone does doesn't mean they should be 'required' to live in a slum. This is not India.

But if they can't afford the prices in a town, then then can't live there. Plain and simple. There are other towns. They're all different. There is absolutely no reason the government should step in to insist that any town should be required to provide housing for people who can't afford it. DH and I are fairly well off middle-class white collar workers, but there is no way we could comfortably afford to live in Hollis where I grew up. Should Hollis be required to allow me to? heck no! I have the right to move there if I can afford it, but if I can't.. I have the right to look in another town.

And who on earth said anything about slums?? No one is saying someone has to live in slums. But to be honest, from what I've observed in my life so far, you put section 8 housing in an otherwise affluent town and that's what you end up with: 'the projects'. So.. you feel that these people SHOULD be made to live in the Projects so they can live in high priced towns? Mighty neighborly of you. I'd rather find a town that's not expensive. After all, that's my right. (then my kids wouldn't be laughed at/ostracized at school for being poor or from the wrong side of town, I wouldn't feel like a fish out of water....)

[FiveHorses]

Wanna - I agree with you 100%, but there's an interesting thing going on here (to me) and it's this:

Buildings do not make a slum. People do.

Now I'm waiting for the chorus of "it's not their fault, they're victims"....

[Valerie C]

How very timely this quote is MtnFlyer. Thank you for posting it.

Originally Posted by MtnFlyer

<snip> this quote I ran across last week made such an impression on me. The last line about multiplying by dividing pretty much sums it up. I don't for a moment think this will change anyone's mind, but based on most of the thread I thought many here would enjoy reading it:

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

-Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005

[lisa g]

Originally Posted by CometVoyager

I truly appreciate all who have given me repp points and are in accord with my thoughts on this subject! I only suggest you make it known to local media, others on this forum and even your representative law makers! I understand the later may seem futile but we must all have a voice to ward off this very destructive mindset!

This is a mindset where some actually believe their support of this measure makes them feel noble and altruistic! I think they are truly delusionail if they really believe this stuff!

You are welcome, Comet. I have tried to rep other contributors to this thread but am currently unable to until I spread the reps. Sorry if I am repeating myself, but in Dec. I wrote to The Jounal about articles they started running about workforce housing and got a rather naive and defensive (the typical combination) email reply. They have lightened up on these articles, and I have wondered whether the majority of their mail was negative.

[GregW]

CV - You just said what I should have said instead of race. You want "to save the genteel". Typical aristocratic "my way is the only right and proper way" and all others can be shuffled off somewhere because my wealth brings me the privilege of living only with my kind. How very proper of you.

I fought a war next to the guys that might have lived in workforce housing. I save some of them and some of them saved me. By and large they were just plain folk. Pretty good people overall. I wouldn’t mind living next to them now. Your kind of exclusionary crap insults these people as well as showing what a moral coward you are. GSY!

[nicolem]

Originally Posted by jmatt

So, I've read a number of posts whining about "illegals" in Nashua and Manchester. Now, if it's not all about race, how does one tell by sight if a person is illegal or not? I'm assuming said posters have no real contact with any of these folks.

Not really sure what illegals have to do with this thread-but it does fit your mantra of always interjecting racisim into discussions. But that is what happens when you cannot debate with FACTS. Also not sure what having contact with illegal aliens has to do with it but yes-unfortunately I have had contact with these lawbreakers.

Try reading a police blotter or watching the news. They tell you that someone is illegal, although they prefer "undocumented". Try reading the Nashua Telegraph, Concord Monitor among others. They have no problem doing fluff pieces on how "wonderful" the "undocumented" community is here. Try looking at research data-there is plenty out there. Try talking to local government officials, teachers and police officers. How about the fact that certain legislators are trying AGAIN to make NH a sanctuary state? Unlike you, I deal with FACTS.

This would involve educating ones self and dealng with facts. Something you and other race card users would rather not do.

[nicolem]

Originally Posted by FiveHorses

Wanna - I agree with you 100%, but there's an interesting thing going on here (to me) and it's this:

Buildings do not make a slum. People do.
Now I'm waiting for the chorus of "it's not their fault, they're victims"....

Absolutely 100% right.

[jmatt]

Originally Posted by WannaComeHome

Oh I just know I"m going to regret this....


But if they can't afford the prices in a town, then then can't live there. Plain and simple. There are other towns. They're all different. There is absolutely no reason the government should step in to insist that any town should be required to provide housing for people who can't afford it. DH and I are fairly well off middle-class white collar workers, but there is no way we could comfortably afford to live in Hollis where I grew up. Should Hollis be required to allow me to? heck no! I have the right to move there if I can afford it, but if I can't.. I have the right to look in another town.

I understand your point, but what about the people who provide basic services in the town and who barely make enough to live on. Tough luck I guess--they'll have to live somewhere they can afford--which may be pretty far away. Sure, they can work hard and educate themselves and move up, but they'll just be replaced by another group. A sort of permanent underclass serving the people who can afford to live there. If you're OK with that, then I guess we just disagree.