Forgive and Forget? Not in this small New Hampshire town where residents have threatened to burn down the Pastor's house (homeless, difference between)

[MtDreamer]

Having spent my life in law enforcement I can't believe that one requirement of his parole was that he had no contact with minors. We all know judges never make errors in judgement. This man has ruined many lives and killed a child that was most likely molested before he died. How terrible for this child and the family living with this knowledge. How convienent that this man found God. Maybe he just used that to get parolled. Also once a pedophile always a pedophile. He should never be free to destroy more lives.

[Onni]

Originally Posted by buck naked

people object because they don't like the law that allowed the murderer to be released after 35 years.

obviously the law needs to be changed.

I feel the guy did the crime and served his time. He should be allowed to live somewhere.....and children are everywhere. If it was felt that he would murder again, then he shouldn't have been released from prison.

I believe that we should do what other civilized nations do and cap the max time in prison for any crime. 21 years max in prison is a humane and just. The more time in prison anyone get the more likely they become set as a criminal, prisons should not be for only punishment but for rehabilitation. If we are the greatest country in the world as many would say but cant prove than the least of us, the homeless, the poor the imprisoned should have respect and dignity and our commpassion. If not than we are no better than Iran or China or Cuba.

[NH2008]

Originally Posted by Onni

I believe that we should do what other civilized nations do and cap the max time in prison for any crime. 21 years max in prison is a humane and just. The more time in prison anyone get the more likely they become set as a criminal, prisons should not be for only punishment but for rehabilitation. If we are the greatest country in the world as many would say but cant prove than the least of us, the homeless, the poor the imprisoned should have respect and dignity and our commpassion. If not than we are no better than Iran or China or Cuba.

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Maxing out at 21 years strikes me as neither humane nor just. Given this man's history as a repeat offender, it seems pretty clear he was "set as a criminal" a long time ago. I believe that every human being has certain rights, but this man forfeited his rights to "respect, dignity and compassion" with his heinous behavior.

I do believe we are the greatest nation on earth. This is an opinion, not a fact, so it isn't something one can prove. However, as harsh as you may find our justice system, in Iran, China and Cuba people get sentenced to long jail terms for "crimes" like homosexuality and speaking out against the gov't. I am proud to live in a country where we can freely debate these issues.

It's clear that you have a lot of compassion for the downtrodden and I sincerely respect your empathy. Sometimes the needs of individuals clash and this is one of those times. I would suggest that in this case, the rights of the innocent to safety take precedence over the rights of criminals to a second (third, fourth) chance. I also think it's doing the homeless and the poor a grave disservice to group them with convicted criminals.

[sgthoskins]

Originally Posted by Onni

I believe that we should do what other civilized nations do and cap the max time in prison for any crime. 21 years max in prison is a humane and just. The more time in prison anyone get the more likely they become set as a criminal, prisons should not be for only punishment but for rehabilitation. If we are the greatest country in the world as many would say but cant prove than the least of us, the homeless, the poor the imprisoned should have respect and dignity and our commpassion. If not than we are no better than Iran or China or Cuba.

Before you talk about stuff you don't know about, go to a prison and see if any of the violent criminals are reformed or rehabbed. It doesn't work that way. Prison is a punishment. The sooner you realize that there are simply bad and evil people in the world that actually want to be bad and evil the better.

I know it's probably difficult to sleep at night knowing that there are thousands or violent men that wouldn't think twice about kicking down the door of your house and killing your entire family with a baseball bat. It's the truth and 21 years in a prison isn't going to change that.

The sheeple are thick in this thread.

[seamusnh]

Originally Posted by Onni

I believe that we should do what other civilized nations do and cap the max time in prison for any crime. 21 years max in prison is a humane and just. The more time in prison anyone get the more likely they become set as a criminal, prisons should not be for only punishment but for rehabilitation. If we are the greatest country in the world as many would say but cant prove than the least of us, the homeless, the poor the imprisoned should have respect and dignity and our commpassion. If not than we are no better than Iran or China or Cuba.

Right. So Sirhan Sirhan would have been out in 1989. Mark David Chapman in 2001. Timothy McVie in 2016. James Earl Ray in 2009. Charles Manson in 2010. Lee Harvey Oswald in 1984. Albert DeSalvo in 2008...

If you want to live in a "civilized" country where people like these are out amongst the general population, you'll have to move there.

The guy in question here stole 60 years of life from his victim. I don't see how him serving 21 years would come close to making amends for that....

[lisa g]

Originally Posted by sgthoskins

Prison is a punishment. The sooner you realize that there are simply bad and evil people in the world that actually want to be bad and evil the better.
The sheeple are thick in this thread.

Agree, 100%. The murder of that boy occurred right down the street from me (although I was not here at that time). Not that I need a reality check on how evil this guy is, but I am reminded every day since it is impossible to not think about it. You are kidding yourself if you think murdering pedophiles like this can change. This is a most vile crime with a high number of repeat offenders. There should be a clear message that those who commit crimes like this will not have another chance at anything. It is a huge shame he was not taken out immediately following the crime and fell into the hands of the justice system.

[buck naked]

Originally Posted by Onni

I believe that we should do what other civilized nations do and cap the max time in prison for any crime. 21 years max in prison is a humane and just. The more time in prison anyone get the more likely they become set as a criminal, prisons should not be for only punishment but for rehabilitation. If we are the greatest country in the world as many would say but cant prove than the least of us, the homeless, the poor the imprisoned should have respect and dignity and our commpassion. If not than we are no better than Iran or China or Cuba.

no way would I go along with that. The only reason Guay served 35 years is because he got additional charges when he assaulted an inmate.

the mistake was not giving him life imprisonment because he took a life. Murderers should never get out, EVER.

Thankfully, we don't have a cap on prison sentences. Madoff just got multiple life sentences and he didn't murder anyone.

Life without parole would have been a justified sentence. That Manson even comes up for parole hearings is wrong. His claim is that he never murdered anyone. IMO, he's as guilty as Pam Smart.

[FiveHorses]

Originally Posted by buck naked

The only reason Guay served 35 years is because he got additional charges when he assaulted an inmate.

This is what truly baffles me... Guay murders, he then escapes and kidnaps, and all this is neatly followed by an assault. That's at least (only skimmed the article) three distinct violent crimes of which he is conclusively guilty.

That's three distinct & separate violent incidents. That's also 11.66 years per crime.

Is this what the US justice system has been reduced to?

[sgthoskins]

Originally Posted by FiveHorses

This is what truly baffles me... Guay murders, he then escapes and kidnaps, and all this is neatly followed by an assault. That's at least (only skimmed the article) three distinct violent crimes of which he is conclusively guilty.

That's three distinct & separate violent incidents. That's also 11.66 years per crime.

Is this what the US justice system has been reduced to?

Yes, it's been that way for quite some time now. It's run by democrats who need the repeat offenders to feed the big government system.

I think that if a judge doesn't sentence the criminal to the max allowable and that criminal gets out of prison and commits another crime, that judge should be held accountable for letting the animal free.

The system honestly is a joke and is in no way shape or form a deterrent.

[Dwatted Wabbit]

Originally Posted by sgthoskins

One person threated to burn down his house. Yeah sounds like a pretty good population sample.

That being said we really don't like murderers here.

Har! Good post.

Perhaps the pastor should buy him a 1-way to San Francisco. No problem with child killers in the all-accepting Sanctuary City.