Libertarians moving into New Hampshire -- Free State Project (Plainfield: insurance, how much)

[paradiddle]

Hey you could join that kook Ed Brown in Plainfield, NH who decided he don't want to pay taxes anymore...... Do a search on line... there is a million stories on this guy. Him and his wife owe about 1.2 mil in Fed taxes let alone 300k NH business tax and now I heard he told the town he don't want to pay Plainfield property tax because he doesn't uses any services in the town. He keeps on quoting obscure fed law that says that no Fed income tax law was ever enacted. He is barricaded in a 3 story home with a 4 ft thick walls and has some libertarion friends camped out in support. The Feds & state cut off his phone lines and electric and are camped outside his property. He has stated the only way they will take him out is in body bags. He also claims to be not Ed Brown anymore but Ed from God......

All of a sudden, Ed Brown has a lot of friends - A Concord Monitor Article - Your News Source - Concord NH 03301

Edward Lewis Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tax evasion standoff has revolving cast - The Boston Globe

LiveLeak.com - Tax evader or Patriot? Ed Brown says "Show me the Law"

[Torrey]

Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn

Has anyone actually encountered a Libertarian who moved into New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project? [ Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime ]

Have they had any effect on the state yet and has anyone taken any notice?

Have they had any effect on the state? What's wrong with New Hampshire the way it is? If Libertarians are going to try to change New Hampshire, then you just gave away the cat.

[Katlakat]

I couldn't find the link, but in this blog site listing, on the left, I remember reading a story of a gentleman who moved because of the free state project. This was all I could find today, its about the pseudonymed California girl who has already moved into NH and the liberty alliance meetings. Here is an excerpt of her blog I found. They are pretty open to writing what they are doing, making or attempting to change, if anything in their blogs on these sites. A little more digging and you might find the answers you're looking for.

Nicolem is a great poster here for finding these things out, I've been to every site she's posted for political education and she has been such a blessing to have them onhand.

Last Saturday I attended the second workshop this year of the New Hampshire Liberty Alliance. To give you an indication of how serious Free State Project participants are about our desire to roll back government in New Hampshire, 20 people spent our entire Saturday crammed into someone’s living room, being trained in the nitty gritty of running political campaigns and tracking pending legislation.

again, this was an excerpt from the california free state project girl's public blog I found here:
Free State Observer » 2005 » November

article, Poli sci 102

Hope you find the answers Torrey, I'll have to read on and find out with you. I am an e-mail update member of Unity 08 just to watch for now and help educate myself for the upcoming elections. I have big shoes to fill if I plan on voting in NH this fall, and I had better know what's going on well before I do. I owe it to the great granite state.

kat

[paradiddle]

http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...c-d02571202b0d

[Torrey]

I found this article rather interesting through a link on that page you posted Kat. I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. As well I believe that the 2nd amendment enforces the right to carry a gun on you at any time you wish and do not believe in the "Concealed/Carry" permit, as it is just ANOTHER TAX. Why should you have to have a permit to carry a firearm if the 2nd amendment gives you that RIGHT?

New Hampshire Underground : Gun Owners Challenging Police in NH

PS- Let's hope Taras hubby knows that you can openly carry in New Hampshire, and that the other police officers will be educated in this matter so there will be no more public hoopla about this situation. When I went out to Arizona to visit some friends once, they openly carry firearms there, and it was rather interesting to see how their crime level was so low. I attribute this to armed citizens.

[Katlakat]

interesting read paradiddle: I wonder, what the law does state about paying federal income taxes. Is it legible for a commoner like me to actually understand? some of those laws are quite confusing without a legal translator, sorry guys, but they are However, certainly the federal government is not going to let a family avoid federal income taxes, can you imagine the riots and wars the taxpayers would cause? If the law really doesn't exist, can we say sheep to the financial slaughter? If it does exist, (and isn't being written and conspiratorially construed right at this moment) the Browns just committed a crime for what purpose? I hope he knows his laws, and knows a great lawyer.

that brings me to my next question: How many New Hampshire residents are quite resentful at the free state project and its constituents?

I haven't seen this particular video torrey, i'm off to check it out. Thanks guys!

[Torrey]

A good friend of mine said he found out that the Federal Government instituted Federal Income Tax to help fund World War II, and that it was supposed to end after the war was over. However, it never did because Americans seemed to forget about it supposing to end, or never challenged it and it continues to present day. My friend quoted the document in a letter citing that he was being taxed illegally by the Federal Government, and refused to pay any more Federal Income Tax. He sent the IRS the letter, sold everything he owned, and moved to Idaho.

I myself do not know enough about this 'Libertarian movement' to decide whether or not I like it. I have to see more on the subject. I am however NOT about Big Brother Government sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, and do think the Government is trying to regulate way too much of the American Citizens lives. The novel 1984 comes to mind, and now the movie "V for Vendetta" as well.

[paradiddle]

At first glance at Libertarian politics, I really like the less government idea. My fear is that some Libertarians are actually involved in anti-government miltia movements and hide behind the old "Don't tread on me" flag. On the surface it looks tame but underneath is danger. I liken it to the danger of skinheads, nazi movement etc. (I am NOT saying that they are linked). Now they have every right to be here and heard as everyone else.

I went to the free state project web site
[ Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime ]

In the discussion groups are a lot of talk about this Ed Brown case. Ed Brown has openly stated he is involved in miltia's and has courted Randy Weaver.
We can argue all day long about what happened to Mr. Weaver but this kind of stuff will bring negative consequences to NH. The Free State Project states why they came to NH and it's the same reasons why a lot of us had.
Why screw it up making it a haven for miltia types.

I get upset that Ed & Elaine Brown don't want to pay taxes like the rest of us. Elaine Brown had a lucrative dental practice in the Lebanon area. I can agree that taxation is out of control but I don't beleive extremist miltia's are the way to go about it. Anytime the Union Leader (manchester, nh) would publish an on-line article about the Browns, the reader comments were usually anti-brown. That's the real NH.....

History of Income tax and links to support of wars.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html

[Ten]

Originally Posted by GregW

Thanks for the warning. We do not need more right wing anarchic ideologs. The southern part of the state has been way overdeveloped by these "Live Free or Die" fanatics. AFAK libertarians greedheads are at the heart of the "I've got mine and the hell with you bunch." Let them move to Utah and put up with the Mormons.

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

Given the abysmal failure of People's Republics like Granholm's Michigan and the Collective of Mass., you'd think folks would get a clue...

[Ten]

Originally Posted by paradiddle

y fear is that some Libertarians are actually involved in anti-government miltia movements and hide behind the old "Don't tread on me" flag. On the surface it looks tame but underneath is danger. I liken it to the danger of skinheads, nazi movement etc. (I am NOT saying that they are linked).

You just did.

We can argue all day long about what happened to Mr. Weaver...

Or we can state simple facts: 400 FBI agents converged in the wilderness 40 miles from the Canadian border, where a 14 year old boy, his mother, and the dog were shot dead.

this kind of stuff will bring negative consequences to NH.

Sure. Was our kind, benevolent federal government designed 230 years ago to coddle us?

The Free State Project states why they came to NH and it's the same reasons why a lot of us had.
Why screw it up making it a haven for miltia types.

Or skinheads?

I get upset that Ed & Elaine Brown don't want to pay taxes like the rest of us.

Time was free men engendered respect. Now we're envious of them because we're too lazy to be free as well?

I can agree that taxation is out of control

And you're envious of those doing something about it at the same time?

but I don't beleive extremist miltia's are the way to go about it.

Or skinheads? Neo-nazis? All those fascist libertarians? Live Kinda Free Until It's Too Inconvenient and Then Die, right?

Sorry for the snark, but come on: Take a consistent stand. Let's first convict Libertarianism of anarchy before defending what amounts to American Socialism for making us virtual dependents.

More power to the NH Libertarian project: "Live free or die."