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Thanks for the warning. We do not need more right wing anarchic ideologs. The southern part of the state has been way overdeveloped by these "Live Free or Die" fanatics. AFAK libertarians greedheads are at the heart of the "I've got mine and the hell with you bunch." Let them move to Utah and put up with the Mormons.
They are much better than the TAX and Spend Liberals. I have seen alot of Foolish Laws that take away NH freedoms get voted for sense the Democrats have taken power. Liberal LOU and his clan are Destroying NH. Democrats are fine but the Liberals in there are taxing, and feeing, and spending like never before. Making NH a Tax, and Pass bigger, and more Government control state. We will pass Laws that Make you want to leave. *********r freedoms. AS the New NH Democrats are showing.
As this thread drifts to the usuall Right/Left nonsense I'd like to comment. Big government is way cheaper than big monopoly and less likely to need the governmnet to protect that monopoly. I've seen the Republicans go from "Tax and Spend" liberals that produced a Federal surplus to "Borrow and spend" Republicans theat have indebted us forever.
It is no suprise that we (yeah, I'm a Democrat) won the NH House, Senate, Govenors Council (for non NH folks the council is a 13 member comettee that has final say in everything the govenor does) and the Govenorship (the last by a 75% majority) since the last Republican businessman turned politician was sending the state down the same deficit road as the USG.
NHYRNUT - What laws are you complaining about? The law to stop smoking in restruants. I like it because I can now go back to a few places where the smoke kept me away. Or is figuring out how to rationalize the school taxes so kids with the misfortune to be born in a property poor town may be able to get a decent education. The attempts to pass a motorcycle helmet law will probably fail. I don't object to this because anyone riding a m'cycle with out a helment is already brain dead and riding without a helmet will probably let the rest of him join the brain. helps keep the health insurance preimiums down.
To return the thread - Take the libertarian idea of small government to its logical conclusion and you have anarchy. People have tried this (Scandanavia in the 5th to 9th centuries) or Iraq today and have not liked the results.
As this thread drifts to the usuall Right/Left nonsense I'd like to comment. Big government is way cheaper than big monopoly and less likely to need the governmnet to protect that monopoly. I've seen the Republicans go from "Tax and Spend" liberals that produced a Federal surplus to "Borrow and spend" Republicans theat have indebted us forever.
"Tax and spend"..."Borrow and spend"...both are contemptible...although you're very right...Republicans and Democrats have usually proven not much different...both steal money from one group to give money to another group so as to win votes and stay in power
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It is no suprise that we (yeah, I'm a Democrat) won the NH House, Senate, Govenors Council (for non NH folks the council is a 13 member comettee that has final say in everything the govenor does) and the Govenorship (the last by a 75% majority) since the last Republican businessman turned politician was sending the state down the same deficit road as the USG.
I think its more likely that the 2006 elections in NH were an indictment of Republicans nationally than any kind of endorsement of expanding taxes and government spending in NH...the war in Iraq and a Republican President and Congress that spent like drunken sailors (although it must be pointed out that at least drunken sailors spend their own money) inspired liberals to get out and vote and true small government, anti-war conservatives like myself to stay home. And Craig Benson's last budget actually had a $32mm surplus...but that more governors would be as committed as he was to limiting the size of government and the bill to taxpayers
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NHYRNUT - What laws are you complaining about? The law to stop smoking in restruants. I like it because I can now go back to a few places where the smoke kept me away.
Its about property rights...your desire to go to a restaurant you like is less important than the right of the guy or woman who actually has their own money invested in the place to do what he wants...shouldn't it be their decision to allow or prohibit smoking? No one is making you go to places that allow smoking and, if there are enough people that refuse to go to a restaurant that allows smoking, businessmen, with their money at stake, will offer that option. That is a classic example of private property rights...quintessentially American...government is there to protect your private property rights...not trample them
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Or is figuring out how to rationalize the school taxes so kids with the misfortune to be born in a property poor town may be able to get a decent education.
I have this dreadful feeling that NH will ultimately turn into my home state of NJ. Hard as it is to believe, not so long ago, NJ was a very low tax state...no income tax until 1976...like NH it was an economic powerhouse in its region because of its proximity to NYC and its low-tax, pro-business system. But, just like NH, the NJ Supreme Court decided to play legislature for a day and decree that the state constitution required the state (i.e. the state taxpayers) to "provide a thorough and efficient" education to every child in the state. The infamous Abbot decision from the NJ Supreme Court resulted in the current state of affairs in NJ where, every year, massive amounts of tax money are redistributed from the rural and suburban towns to dysfunctional cities which, despite spending more than double the amount of money per pupil as the average rural district, produce unbelievably, consistently bad results. NJ now has the nation's highest property taxes, very high income taxes (originally instituted for the purpose of property tax relief...guess that didn't work out too well), and a very high sales tax and, but for low-skilled immigrants coming into that state, NJ population has been declining for a decade now.
NH should be careful...once the big government-types start to focus on fixing various social pathologies that have little to do with money, low-tax, livable NH could rapidly become like NJ
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To return the thread - Take the libertarian idea of small government to its logical conclusion and you have anarchy. People have tried this (Scandanavia in the 5th to 9th centuries) or Iraq today and have not liked the results.
LOL...I don't think you have to worry about too little government anywhere in the US anytime soon.
"Tax and spend"..."Borrow and spend"...both are contemptible...although you're very right...Republicans and Democrats have usually proven not much different...both steal money from one group to give money to another group so as to win votes and stay in power
I think its more likely that the 2006 elections in NH were an indictment of Republicans nationally than any kind of endorsement of expanding taxes and government spending in NH...the war in Iraq and a Republican President and Congress that spent like drunken sailors (although it must be pointed out that at least drunken sailors spend their own money) inspired liberals to get out and vote and true small government, anti-war conservatives like myself to stay home. And Craig Benson's last budget actually had a $32mm surplus...but that more governors would be as committed as he was to limiting the size of government and the bill to taxpayers
Its about property rights...your desire to go to a restaurant you like is less important than the right of the guy or woman who actually has their own money invested in the place to do what he wants...shouldn't it be their decision to allow or prohibit smoking? No one is making you go to places that allow smoking and, if there are enough people that refuse to go to a restaurant that allows smoking, businessmen, with their money at stake, will offer that option. That is a classic example of private property rights...quintessentially American...government is there to protect your private property rights...not trample them
LOL...I don't think you have to worry about too little government anywhere in the US anytime soon.
I could not have said it better. Your reply was right on the money. Unfortunately there are more and more liberals like the previous post, who claim to be Democrats when in truth they are tax and spend liberals. Who want big government and more rules, to tell us how to run our businesses and bodies. SHAME ON THEM.( LIVE FREE OR DIE) I for 1 would rather die free than in the land of the Liberal. I have many friends who are Democrats. But None that are liberal. Some family but they live in VT surprise. And I don't Talk to them much. Again surprise Most are Criminals. Criminals and liberals Wow would have never thought that.
Criminals and liberals Wow would have never thought that.
Good conservatives all...
I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby Jr. - Convicted of obstruction of justice, giving false statements to the F.B.I. and perjuring himself.
Tom Delay - Indicted on a charge of criminal conspiracy to inject illegal corporate contributions into 2002 state elections.
Bob Ney - Guilty of conspiracy and making false statements. Sentenced to 30 months in prison.
Jack Abramoff - Sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison, after pleading guilty to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.
Chuck McGee - Former Executive Director of the N.H. Republican Party sentenced to seven months in prison for jamming Democratic phone banks on election day 2002.
Bill Janklow - Republican Governor of North Dakota and member of United States House of Representatives. Guilty of speeding, running a stop sign, reckless driving and second-degree manslaughter in the death of 55-year-old motorcyclist Randy Scott. Sentenced to 100 days in jail.
John Rowland - Republican Governor of Connecticut. Pleaded guilty to a one-count with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax fraud. Served ten months in a federal prison, followed by four months house arrest.
George Ryan - Republican Governor of Illinois sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison following his conviction on racketeering and fraud charges.
Randy "Duke" Cunningham - Republican member of the United States House of Representatives. Pleaded guilty to accepting at least $2.4 million in bribes and underreporting his income for 2004. He pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud, and tax evasion. Received a sentence of eight years and four months in prison and an order to pay $1.8 million in restitution.
Mark Foley - Republican member of the United States House of Representatives. Resigned from Congress after allegations surfaced that he had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages to children who had formerly served as Congressional pages. As a result of the disclosures, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement opened investigations of the messages to find possible criminal charges.
I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby Jr. - Convicted of obstruction of justice, giving false statements to the F.B.I. and perjuring himself.
Tom Delay - Indicted on a charge of criminal conspiracy to inject illegal corporate contributions into 2002 state elections.
Bob Ney - Guilty of conspiracy and making false statements. Sentenced to 30 months in prison.
Jack Abramoff - Sentenced to five years and 10 months in prison, after pleading guilty to fraud, tax evasion and conspiracy to bribe public officials.
Chuck McGee - Former Executive Director of the N.H. Republican Party sentenced to seven months in prison for jamming Democratic phone banks on election day 2002.
Bill Janklow - Republican Governor of North Dakota and member of United States House of Representatives. Guilty of speeding, running a stop sign, reckless driving and second-degree manslaughter in the death of 55-year-old motorcyclist Randy Scott. Sentenced to 100 days in jail.
John Rowland - Republican Governor of Connecticut. Pleaded guilty to a one-count with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax fraud. Served ten months in a federal prison, followed by four months house arrest.
George Ryan - Republican Governor of Illinois sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison following his conviction on racketeering and fraud charges.
Randy "Duke" Cunningham - Republican member of the United States House of Representatives. Pleaded guilty to accepting at least $2.4 million in bribes and underreporting his income for 2004. He pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud, and tax evasion. Received a sentence of eight years and four months in prison and an order to pay $1.8 million in restitution.
Mark Foley - Republican member of the United States House of Representatives. Resigned from Congress after allegations surfaced that he had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages to children who had formerly served as Congressional pages. As a result of the disclosures, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement opened investigations of the messages to find possible criminal charges.
The list goes on and on.
As it does on both parties. They both contain Liars and criminals. We all know this. The Fraze You quoted out of my post was meant to show that more none elected criminals support liberals due to there stand on crime. You know like letting them off with a slap on the wrist. Or Like VT put the criminals first even before public safety. Sorry you took that out of context, but after reading it I can see how you would.
Irontank - How much of the New Jersey decline was mob influenced? "The Sopranos" is not set in North Dakota.
I just read a letter in the Nashua, NH Telegraph in which a retired teacher (I do not recall his name) suggested that schools concentrate on the kids that want to be there and not worry about the dropouts. Made a lot of sense to me. Not a "liberal" attitude.
I just might be more concerned with "property rights" but I don't have any to be concerned with, at least not the kind that actually make me money, and do not expect to ever have any. I made the mistake of being born to a family of relativly poor drunks. They did not have any capital of any kind. I actually agree with the concept that charging interest is immoral among other things.
I support government where it is supposed to be (at least where I think it is supposed to be) and that is regulating business and the economy to eliminate inflation, prevent business monopolies (I believe in a free market - most successful businesses don't – Exxon and Microsoft for example), make business clean up it's own mess and not dump their pollution on me (including CO2), provide a good education for free to those that want it to what ever level they want to go, provide enough police to actually protect neighborhoods and a fire/rescue department that can get there in time to save my life. I also think health insurance can be provided by government with less cost because it can eliminate corporate speculation and profit.
What I do not want a government to do is endorse any religion or religious point of view like opposing stem cell research, subsidize businesses with no-bid contracts, and get us into stupid wars to protect the Anglo-American oil companies right to perpetual profits. I do not want a government to force kids into schools, I do not want them providing business to their political contributors by trying to create an international military empire.
Did you know Scooter Libby was Marc Rich's attorney? Yes....the same guy pardoned by Clinton. Its funny......Republican/Democrat.....doesnt matter....they are all in the trough in D.C. Its like a private club with benefits that both sides feast on.....different sides, but the same coin. I dont think these are the same Republicans of 20 years ago, and the same can be said of the Democrats. We have to find a way to work together....and if that means Libertarian, Socialist, Republican, Democrat....I dont care....people are going to have to wise up. I personally agree that less government is a good thing, but so are individual's rights......I also personally agree we can spend our money on a lot better stuff than tanks and airplanes. We could probably get people to change their ideas about us by spending it on food or medicine with the money we spend on that stuff(USA spends more on guns/ammo/planes than rest of the world combined) and not kill as many people in the process(namely Palestine, Gaza, Iraq, etc). I am sure someone out there might disagree.....I am just trying not to be affiliated with any political group except Independent.
I see the opposite. Too many liberals moving here to NH causing the democratic change in the government which has approved too many social programs recently. I think that Libertarians should help in balancing out all the Massachusetts liberals moving up here. They left that area because they were basically taxed out and now are turning this great place into what they left behind.
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