Swarms of Harleys and other noisy things (Laconia, Epping: fit in, live in)

[WannaComeHome]

Originally Posted by CrazyDave

going to the beach and hearing loud screaming kids

I hate both. I wish the bike riders would understand that when they make them that noisy, it's very startling. They are more likely to make me jump and hit them than not. They can make their presence known to cars without being that loud about it, it's gratuitous. If they can drown out the sound of my radio inside my own car with my windows shut, they are too loud!!!! And that goes for the people blaring their music out of their cars as well.

I don't mind bike riders when they drive responsibly. I object to daredevils in cars and bikes. Can't do a thing about it, but I can still not like it.

[BF66389]

Originally Posted by Zod

Are these anomalies or is New Hampshire a hill-billy noise factory?

I think you will find every state has multiple race tracks and multiple drag strips...across the US. If the noise of such places bothers you, like say- an airport, just don't move within earshot; simple fix. It is YOUR responsibility to do the research, such locales were in existence long before you were.

As for bikers on the street, yes- *some* act stupid just like some car drivers do or some walkers do. We live on a very frequently traveled route for the scenery but have yet to have any problems. As with any hobby/sport/situation, whatever in life- there will always be a few troublemakers though.

[MovedfromFL]

Originally Posted by buck naked

"Anyone who has owned a large tract of land has surely had plenty of trespassers."


it's not trespassing if the land is not posted every few feet.

In New Hampshire we have a unique expectation of access onto property owned by others that is unknown in other states. This expectation is a very New Hampshire concept, an extension of our motto "Live Free or Die". In fact, in many states, land open for public use is posted with signs that say so because the land use expectation is NO TRESPASSING.
SPACE: Statewide Program of Action to Conserve our Environment

Boy was that an eye-opening read. I can't really wrap my mind around it just yet. It still seems like some yahoo could come on your land, get hurt, and then drag you into court. (you would then have to pay for a lawyer, which doesn't come cheap and who has money for that? I don't.) Even if there is supposedly "no liability" to those wanting to share their land, you would still have to go through the initial steps to have it thrown out.
Anyway, I guess my mindset comes from living in FL and GA all my life where it seems that very few people can be trusted to handle responsibilty and take care of the property of others.

Then there was this quote from the website: "Landowners should be aware of the negative message "NO TRESPASSING" signs send, especially to the neighbors. The signs themselves can trigger angry responses, such as destruction of signs, littering and unkind remarks in the community. It is not the best way to meet the neighbors!"

Whoa, hold on a second. If I put up a simple "No Trespasing" sign and people are going to react by destroying my sign and throwing trash, I do not want to live by those people at all, nor do I want them using my land.
NH has plenty of parks and outdoor spaces that people can use without having to aggressively seek out the use of other people's property (ie "yards")!

I'm also confused by the part that mentions a NH state law of 300' from your house to post against hunting. If I own 5 acres, I should be able to state "No hunting" for my entire 5 acres. I'm sorry if I don't want people shooting at moving targets in my yard when I have kids and pets at my house.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I think the NH private access law is aimed more at very large tracts of land, like somewhere that you could allow a snowmobile trail to cut through and still be far away from the nearest occupied dwelling <VS> meaning that everyone in the general public has a right to stalk through my little 5 acre parcel and do everything short of peering into my windows. In this day and age, I don't want folks coming near my home unless they are invited, esp. if I am a woman home alone with small children. (again, maybe I have a different mentality from my experiences in other states)

[CrazyDave]

Originally Posted by WannaComeHome

I hate both. I wish the bike riders would understand that when they make them that noisy, it's very startling. They are more likely to make me jump and hit them than not. They can make their presence known to cars without being that loud about it, it's gratuitous. If they can drown out the sound of my radio inside my own car with my windows shut, they are too loud!!!! And that goes for the people blaring their music out of their cars as well.

I don't mind bike riders when they drive responsibly. I object to daredevils in cars and bikes. Can't do a thing about it, but I can still not like it.

Are electric cars too quiet for pedestrians & bicyclists to hear them?

Oakland, California Police modify their Mufflers to make them Louder!

Seems that old adage has some weight after all. You say you get startled, but you've yet to hit one..that's what we are aiming for.

[fishnfool]

Dave I think there is a rather large line between being loud enough to hear and loud enough to rattle your skull.

Also, can you at least understand the need NOT to rev engines at all hours in the night in residential areas? I could care less what they do in town or on main roads and highways during normal hours, but they could at least show a "little" respect. Riders are not doing themselves any favors by doing.

It's just like hunting. Most hunters do their best to respect land owners, residents, etc. because it's in their best interest. If they just said "screw it" it would do little to garner acceptance and ultimately access for their sport (especially since most people do not hunt....or ride).

[JViello]

Originally Posted by MovedfromFL

Boy was that an eye-opening read. I can't really wrap my mind around it just yet. It still seems like some yahoo could come on your land, get hurt, and then drag you into court. (you would then have to pay for a lawyer, which doesn't come cheap and who has money for that? I don't.) Even if there is supposedly "no liability" to those wanting to share their land, you would still have to go through the initial steps to have it thrown out.
Anyway, I guess my mindset comes from living in FL and GA all my life where it seems that very few people can be trusted to handle responsibilty and take care of the property of others.

Then there was this quote from the website: "Landowners should be aware of the negative message "NO TRESPASSING" signs send, especially to the neighbors. The signs themselves can trigger angry responses, such as destruction of signs, littering and unkind remarks in the community. It is not the best way to meet the neighbors!"

Whoa, hold on a second. If I put up a simple "No Trespasing" sign and people are going to react by destroying my sign and throwing trash, I do not want to live by those people at all, nor do I want them using my land.
NH has plenty of parks and outdoor spaces that people can use without having to aggressively seek out the use of other people's property (ie "yards")!

I'm also confused by the part that mentions a NH state law of 300' from your house to post against hunting. If I own 5 acres, I should be able to state "No hunting" for my entire 5 acres. I'm sorry if I don't want people shooting at moving targets in my yard when I have kids and pets at my house.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I think the NH private access law is aimed more at very large tracts of land, like somewhere that you could allow a snowmobile trail to cut through and still be far away from the nearest occupied dwelling <VS> meaning that everyone in the general public has a right to stalk through my little 5 acre parcel and do everything short of peering into my windows. In this day and age, I don't want folks coming near my home unless they are invited, esp. if I am a woman home alone with small children. (again, maybe I have a different mentality from my experiences in other states)

I say this not to be rude, or an ass. But you really really need to come to NH for a while and immerse yourself in the culture because it's a little obvious that you've never been here or experience "New England" at a non tourist level.

It's not GA, there are no tract home subdivisions as far as the eye can see (I'm sure a few here and there but very very very small part of NH housing stock) the roads are not laid out in a flat grid, the largest city is smaller than an Atlanta suburb and the countryside is not tin roofed shacks and trailer homes with "boiled peanuts" signs along the road.

People are not hunting in your backyard, nor can I think of anyone who would WANT to hunt in your backyard.

In some of the areas, "no tresspassing" signs can be considered being "agressive" and "against" free use of land. It's done mostly by the close minded libs from Mass who move up, buy a big piece of land and then put a "fence" around it telling everyone to "keep out".

People in NH respect the land, they don't trash it and for the most part don't have a problem with someone snowshoeing through or whatever. If I wanted to camp on some rural land and knew it was someones property, I would still knock on the door as ask permission. It's just common courtesy.

[Ken E]

Originally Posted by MovedfromFL

Boy was that an eye-opening read. I can't really wrap my mind around it just yet. It still seems like some yahoo could come on your land, get hurt, and then drag you into court. (you would then have to pay for a lawyer, which doesn't come cheap and who has money for that? I don't.) Even if there is supposedly "no liability" to those wanting to share their land, you would still have to go through the initial steps to have it thrown out.
Anyway, I guess my mindset comes from living in FL and GA all my life where it seems that very few people can be trusted to handle responsibilty and take care of the property of others.

Then there was this quote from the website: "Landowners should be aware of the negative message "NO TRESPASSING" signs send, especially to the neighbors. The signs themselves can trigger angry responses, such as destruction of signs, littering and unkind remarks in the community. It is not the best way to meet the neighbors!"

Whoa, hold on a second. If I put up a simple "No Trespasing" sign and people are going to react by destroying my sign and throwing trash, I do not want to live by those people at all, nor do I want them using my land.
NH has plenty of parks and outdoor spaces that people can use without having to aggressively seek out the use of other people's property (ie "yards")!

I'm also confused by the part that mentions a NH state law of 300' from your house to post against hunting. If I own 5 acres, I should be able to state "No hunting" for my entire 5 acres. I'm sorry if I don't want people shooting at moving targets in my yard when I have kids and pets at my house.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. I think the NH private access law is aimed more at very large tracts of land, like somewhere that you could allow a snowmobile trail to cut through and still be far away from the nearest occupied dwelling <VS> meaning that everyone in the general public has a right to stalk through my little 5 acre parcel and do everything short of peering into my windows. In this day and age, I don't want folks coming near my home unless they are invited, esp. if I am a woman home alone with small children. (again, maybe I have a different mentality from my experiences in other states)

I think your correct. I see a lot of that mindset down here. There was a guy from Florida on the Vermont forum who felt the same way. He was told basicly if you dont care for the laws up here stay in Florida.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by fishnfool

Dave I think there is a rather large line between being loud enough to hear and loud enough to rattle your skull.

Also, can you at least understand the need NOT to rev engines at all hours in the night in residential areas? I could care less what they do in town or on main roads and highways during normal hours, but they could at least show a "little" respect. Riders are not doing themselves any favors by doing.

It's just like hunting. Most hunters do their best to respect land owners, residents, etc. because it's in their best interest. If they just said "screw it" it would do little to garner acceptance and ultimately access for their sport (especially since most people do not hunt....or ride).

Being in Hampton I can see you getting "that" kind of biker traffic. I agree with the open pipes being rediculous statement. I have a state road about 600 feet away from the back of my house through the woods with a local "burger shack" on it. ALL Summer the weekend warrior with open pipe guys will roar out of there and hold it wide open for at least a mile.

Sometimes we can't have a conversation on the deck when that happens. No need for it.

I have a pipe on my bike, when light on the throttle it's barely noticeable. If I go flat out, you just hear a low rumble at the same distance mentioned above. In fact I was curious if I was being one of "those guys" so I had a friend take it out on that road and open it up. All I heard was a soft "bruuuup, bruuuup" where I had to stop and say "shhh" to hear it.

IMO that's just fine.

In fact here's a video:

http://www.jviello.com/personal02/forum/P6220002.AVI

So long story short, I feel your pain, and I do think the guys with slash cuts are just being jerks. But they are a small percentage.

[GregW]

We have always referred to the rowdy bikers as "One Percenters" and it was not a compliment. There are enough fools in any sport to ruin it for the other 99%.

[buck naked]

true - my harley is practically silent. If someone's bike is excessively loud, it's because it was beefed up to be that loud. Pipes were modified, etc.