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Old 02-14-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Maine
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buck, it's not only Berlin that would get a shot in the arm but all of the north country. The construction jobs and then the jobs at the casino itself plus all the vendors and suppliers for the casino. The income brought into northern Coos county would surely be a great benefit. The unemployment here is the highest in the state. I believe the benefits out weigh the problems associated with having a casino. What would be nice (in my opinion ) if The Balsam Resort opened a casino.
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Monadnock region
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It seems gambling is another of those polarizing issues, MD is having the same problem (we voted to have it a year or so ago, but they seem to not be able to decide where). DH is against it becasue he feels it will create more crime and because of the addiction problems. I don't believe the crime is an issue as much these days as long ago - a simple evaluation of the various states like CT and WV that already have it should show if that's a problem.

The gambling addiction, well... Ok, so the state doesn't set up slots. the addicts go and spend their money in other states, because they're, well, addicted. And then NH should discontinue the lottery because that's certainly addictive and such a good way to handle money. and while we're at it: you're going to have to close down all those state liquor stores and ban beer & wine in the grocery stores because of the drunks. can't have that. See if someone has a problem, they're going to find a way to feed their need no matter where they have to go or what they have to do. So should that mean that it isn't allowed for anyone at all? Why should some suffer because of a few (comparatively speaking). Not to mention the economic benefit in construction and general employment it would bring.

No, it's not going to lower taxes, it never does. But it might help keep something from increasing, and keep some families in state instead of having to move away looking for a job.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:41 AM
 
Location: southern h
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I wonder- if we do not have casino gambling and Mass. does, would the NH gamblers not bring their problems back from their trips to Mass? if the gambling in adjacent states would not cause us any troubles, i would prefer to limit gambling to what we have now. but if we were to encounter problems from having NH gamblers travel the short distance to Mass. (and i belive that there would be a casino just acroos the border) then perhaps it would be better to legalize casino gambling in NH to help pay for the social services that gambling problems would create.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Monadnock region
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I wonder- if we do not have casino gambling and Mass. does, would the NH gamblers not bring their problems back from their trips to Mass?
but Skinut: if their problems are addiction related... then simply by the fact that they live in NH, it doesn't matter where they've gone for their gambling, they've already brought it back from their trips! might as well keep the profit in-state (that's why we already have lottery tickets). And not everyone who goes to casinos have gambling issues. The majority don't.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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One can justify just about anything if money and jobs are the only consideration.

Nevada has legalized prostitution. I certainly would be against that in NH.

California has the marijuana growers and distributors. It's supposed to be medicinal but the fact of the matter is that one can easily get someone to write a prescription for just about any reason. It has had adverse affects on the people who live in the communities where the growers have taken over. You can get a flavor of it by watching Marijuana Inc. on CNBC.

Money justifies a lot of improper/immoral/infamous behavior. The past 10 to 20 years have seen many celebrated cases.

New Hampshire has long resisted becoming another me too state. The positive business climate had led to New Hampshire being one of the few New England areas to expand and prosper during better economic times. The economy will improve and as long as New Hampshire remains economically conservative and friendly toward supporting business, especially small business, it will continue to be an attractive alternative. Gambling and other quick-fix ideas have long-lasting undesirable consequences on the social service structure.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Kensington NH
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One can justify just about anything if money and jobs are the only consideration.

Nevada has legalized prostitution. I certainly would be against that in NH.

California has the marijuana growers and distributors. It's supposed to be medicinal but the fact of the matter is that one can easily get someone to write a prescription for just about any reason. It has had adverse affects on the people who live in the communities where the growers have taken over. You can get a flavor of it by watching Marijuana Inc. on CNBC.

Money justifies a lot of improper/immoral/infamous behavior. The past 10 to 20 years have seen many celebrated cases.

Why not just let adults do what they want with their own money and their own bodies? How is it any of my, yours, or the state's business if they want to gamble their money, have a few drinks, by a prostitute, or smoke a joint?

Is it really Live free or die? Or is it Live free or die....as long as said "freedom" conforms to my personal "moral" beliefs?
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Why not just let adults do what they want with their own money and their own bodies? How is it any of my, yours, or the state's business if they want to gamble their money, have a few drinks, by a prostitute, or smoke a joint?

Is it really Live free or die? Or is it Live free or die....as long as said "freedom" conforms to my personal "moral" beliefs?
well said.

gambling in NH would do great things for the economy here, as well as provide a closer entertainment venue rather than traveling to Foxwoods/Mohegan like so many do. i'm all for it.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Monadnock region
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Nevada has legalized prostitution. I certainly would be against that in NH.
why? it's been a part of civilization as long as history has been around (and likely before then). it's never going to be stamped out. If you make it legal, then you can regulate it and at least require that the 'workers' must have regular health checks! Morality aside (and that's not the state's job) it makes it better for both sides of the industry. This is not to say that I particularly feel NH (or anywhere) ought to legalize it, but if it was it wouldn't bother me.

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California has the marijuana growers and distributors. It's supposed to be medicinal but the fact of the matter is that one can easily get someone to write a prescription for just about any reason. It has had adverse affects on the people who live in the communities where the growers have taken over. .
and that should outweigh the benefits in a medical situation? If you're on chemo and the pain is getting to you and you can't eat because the poison is making you nauseous.. I'm all for anything that will make you feel better while you go through such a horrible ordeal! And my niece (who does not live in NH) truly has gotten relief for her MS from the occasional joint. You want to make oxycontin illegal too, simply because it's so widely abused on the street in spite of the relief it gives to people who really need it? If you tighten up the sloppiness of the drs giving out scrips like candy so that it is medicinal, why not?

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Money justifies a lot of improper/immoral/infamous behavior. The past 10 to 20 years have seen many celebrated cases.
but it's not necessarily just money. Sometimes there are other benefits as well - the fact that it can also bring in revenue is a side benefit.

as fishnfool said: is it really Live free or die? Or is it Live free or die....as long as said "freedom" conforms to my personal "moral" beliefs? (I'd rep you, but I don't think it will let me!)
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
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Why not just let adults do what they want with their own money and their own bodies? How is it any of my, yours, or the state's business if they want to gamble their money, have a few drinks, by a prostitute, or smoke a joint?

Is it really Live free or die? Or is it Live free or die....as long as said "freedom" conforms to my personal "moral" beliefs?

With you on this opinion very much!
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:58 AM
 
Location: southern h
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fishnfool, i totally agree with you with one small addition. all these activities must be taxed enough to cover the regulating and the possible troubles caused by them. people are doing this stuff now and it is costing us money- especially in the areas of law enforcement, judicial system and the prison system. i am not naive enough to belive that my taxes would go down if all this were legalized, but maybe they would increase at a slower pace.
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