Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey > New Jersey Suburbs of Philadelphia
 [Register]
New Jersey Suburbs of Philadelphia Burlington County, Camden County, Gloucester County, Salem County in South Jersey
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 12-07-2012, 01:18 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
9,316 posts, read 12,911,428 times
Reputation: 6163

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
Ok,fine,but still that doesn't change the fact southern Nj,esp the counties I listed seemed more racist.
I'm not saying it isn't present in North Jersey,but it was certainly stronger down there.
The people were more bold with it.

That being said,the best combination I've found is to work in Northern New Jersey and buy a house in Sj,as far as costs are concerned.
The jobs don't pay too much in Sj(and that's if you even get one).
Philadelphia,and Pa in general,doesn't pay that much.
Ny and North Jersey pay decent,but the housing costs are out of control.
Philadelphia and South Jersey pay get you leaps and bounds more than New York and North Jersey given Philadelphia and South Jersey cost of living. A $600k split in Livingston can be had for $350k in Cherry Hill, and the pay gap is a lot lower than 40%.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 12-07-2012, 10:07 AM
 
14,780 posts, read 43,493,224 times
Reputation: 14621
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
Ok,fine,but still that doesn't change the fact southern Nj,esp the counties I listed seemed more racist.
I'm not saying it isn't present in North Jersey,but it was certainly stronger down there.
The people were more bold with it.
There is still a lot of de facto segregation in South Jersey, but that is almost more about socio-economics then race. I live in a pretty diverse town by South Jersey standards and I have never heard or seen any kind of racism overt or otherwise. I have plenty of non-white coworkers and friends who live in a variety of communities and none of them feel out of place or discriminated against.

If I wanted to look at it from a general social standpoint, you need to realize that a large majority of the suburbs and wealthier areas are predominately white while the poorer and more urban areas contain much greater diversity. What I do see among some people is a generalized association of "poor and criminal" with certain urban racial groups that is basically a reflection of the realities of the general socio-economic situation and what people see on the nightly news. However, this general view/attitude can be found among all races of middle-class suburbanites. You are just as likely to hear a black middle-class suburbanite making remarks about poor urban racial groups as you are to hear white people making the same comments.

Quote:
That being said,the best combination I've found is to work in Northern New Jersey and buy a house in Sj,as far as costs are concerned.
The jobs don't pay too much in Sj(and that's if you even get one).
Philadelphia,and Pa in general,doesn't pay that much.
Ny and North Jersey pay decent,but the housing costs are out of control.
I had posted a comparison before in a different thread, that compared median income and housing costs between the three main South Jersey counties and several of the North Jersey counties. What it showed was that in terms of things like poverty rate, education level, etc. the counties were virtually identical varying only on level of diversity.

When it came to housing costs and incomes, South Jersey was lower, but the differential in housing costs was easily greater then the differential in income. Meaning, the average person in the three main South Jersey counties, while they make less money on paper has an overall lower cost of living that should lead to them having greater disposable income. I believe it worked out that median income in South Jersey was around 20% lower, but housing costs were nearly half of what they were in North Jersey. So, when adjusted for COL, people in South Jersey on average "make more money".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 03:48 PM
 
1,953 posts, read 3,860,141 times
Reputation: 1101
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
Honestly,there are positives and negatives with both.

Please don't get mad,but in south jersey I sensed a "racism" factor down there.
I can't describe it,but the people did seem more racist,based on actions and words.
Mainly in Burlington,Gloucester,Salem,Camden,counties
Yeah, there's definitely no racism further north. Ever hear of the dotbusters? Being Indian, I love the nice and pleasant looks that non-Indians give me when I'm in the Edison area. Diversity does not equal tolerance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 05:08 PM
 
2,664 posts, read 5,616,275 times
Reputation: 852
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerseygal4u View Post
Ok,fine,but still that doesn't change the fact southern Nj,esp the counties I listed seemed more racist.
I'm not saying it isn't present in North Jersey,but it was certainly stronger down there.
The people were more bold with it.

That being said,the best combination I've found is to work in Northern New Jersey and buy a house in Sj,as far as costs are concerned.
The jobs don't pay too much in Sj(and that's if you even get one).
Philadelphia,and Pa in general,doesn't pay that much.
Ny and North Jersey pay decent,but the housing costs are out of control.
how u gon live in south jers and work in north tho
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 05:20 PM
 
2,664 posts, read 5,616,275 times
Reputation: 852
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeavenWood View Post
Philadelphia and South Jersey pay get you leaps and bounds more than New York and North Jersey given Philadelphia and South Jersey cost of living. A $600k split in Livingston can be had for $350k in Cherry Hill, and the pay gap is a lot lower than 40%.
exactly
the salary gap is more like 5-7%

Metropolitan statistical areas ranked by median household income
New York–Northern New Jersey–Long Island, New York–New Jersey–Connecticut–Pennsylvania CMSA $50,795
Philadelphia–Wilmington–Atlantic City, Pennsylvania–New Jersey–Delaware–Maryland CMSA $47,528
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 08:52 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
14,498 posts, read 9,383,590 times
Reputation: 5251
Quote:
Originally Posted by OleSchoolFool View Post
how u gon live in south jers and work in north tho
Well, if you lived in, say, Mount Laurel and worked in, say, New Brunswick, you could do that drive everyday. I still wouldn't want it, but that's another story. If you go farther north and/or live farther south, well, tbh, it's probably still doable from just about any part of NJ to another unless it's, like, Cape May to Sussex county... forget about that. It's just quality of life that takes a hit for that kind of commute, so I'd decline the extra money for a much harder commute if that were the decision I had.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
8,631 posts, read 12,926,108 times
Reputation: 5766
Quote:
Originally Posted by snj90 View Post
Well, if you lived in, say, Mount Laurel and worked in, say, New Brunswick, you could do that drive everyday. I still wouldn't want it, but that's another story. If you go farther north and/or live farther south, well, tbh, it's probably still doable from just about any part of NJ to another unless it's, like, Cape May to Sussex county... forget about that. It's just quality of life that takes a hit for that kind of commute, so I'd decline the extra money for a much harder commute if that were the decision I had.
I agree and I also think the River Line connection to the Northeast Corridor Line has helped opened up the minds of many South Jersey residents(especially Burlington County) to seriously consider that a commute to the North Jersey/New York area for work is actually doable.

Last edited by gwillyfromphilly; 12-07-2012 at 10:04 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-07-2012, 10:22 PM
 
2,664 posts, read 5,616,275 times
Reputation: 852
Quote:
Originally Posted by snj90 View Post
Well, if you lived in, say, Mount Laurel and worked in, say, New Brunswick, you could do that drive everyday. I still wouldn't want it, but that's another story. If you go farther north and/or live farther south, well, tbh, it's probably still doable from just about any part of NJ to another unless it's, like, Cape May to Sussex county... forget about that. It's just quality of life that takes a hit for that kind of commute, so I'd decline the extra money for a much harder commute if that were the decision I had.
thats a pretty low possibility that u find a job in that area exactly and even if u do-its too far, and i dont kno if n brunswick salaries would be that much higher, jobs in places like newark and nyc mite pay much higher for some, still not worth it at all, mite as well live in the north
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:22 AM
 
9,005 posts, read 13,766,326 times
Reputation: 9646
Quote:
Originally Posted by soug View Post
Yeah, there's definitely no racism further north. Ever hear of the dotbusters? Being Indian, I love the nice and pleasant looks that non-Indians give me when I'm in the Edison area. Diversity does not equal tolerance.
I never said that. However,it was more bold.
For instance, Burlington City(my city) is always pegged as ghetto. Same with Willingboro.
When I lived there,it was 100x better than Newark,where I came from.
I looked up the crime stats for Willingboro,and its actually safer then surrounding towns.
I always heard from other whites how its all bad. I think its thought of as bad because its majority black.
Oh,and riding around Salem and Cumberland was fun.....I am not going to repeat the things I saw on signs down there about Obama.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 12-08-2012, 12:23 AM
 
9,005 posts, read 13,766,326 times
Reputation: 9646
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
I agree and I also think the River Line connection to the Northeast Corridor Line has helped opened up the minds of many South Jersey residents(especially Burlington County) to seriously consider that a commute to the North Jersey/New York area for work is actually doable.
It will get better once they finish the Njt extension.....that's If they finish it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New Jersey > New Jersey Suburbs of Philadelphia
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top