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Originally Posted by Gerania
you might not say that if you'd read the mid-atlantic debates. historically (i think) it's ny, pa and nj. some want to include ct and ri. the majority, though certainly not all, accept de and md. virginia? put on your armor and prepare for battle.
In the 50s all over the country we were taught that the MidAtlantic is PA, NJ, DE, MD, VA, & on the northern end NY is both MidAtlantic & New England and on the southern end NC is both MidAtlantic & the South.
Their main competitor in Europe may be Aldi, but make no mistake that they fully intend to compete with traditional grocery stores in the United States. This has been seen time and time again in new markets they enter, and the fact they are going with a new concept store exclusively for the US market shows their intentions.
That being said, have you been in a newer Aldi recently? They have substantially stepped up their game as well, and have launched a slew of premium, gluten-free and organic products. https://www.minds.com/blog/view/5440...owfoodnotlawns
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Originally Posted by Carolina Knight
Lidl is a discount grocer, not a supermarket.
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Acquiring The Fresh Market would get Kroger into the specialty gourmet grocery sector, but it does not get it closer to being a supermarket participant in New Jersey.
Yes, but if they go through with a purchase, it shows they are not afraid to enter the competitive PA/NJ/NY market.
Mid-Atlantic to me always meant NY, NJ, PA, DE, and MD, ...
we see the same mid-atlantic, leps, and for all of the same reasons. new england doesn't belong in that group. western ny and pa don't, either. new jersey, and the union states delaware and maryland feel strongly like mid-atlantic states to me. geographically, northern virginia fits, too.
when harris teeter is in delaware, i'll consider it a regional chain. kroger and publix in virginia, not so much.
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Originally Posted by Gerania
we see the same mid-atlantic, leps, and for all of the same reasons. new england doesn't belong in that group. western ny and pa don't, either. new jersey, and the union states delaware and maryland feel strongly like mid-atlantic states to me. geographically, northern virginia fits, too.
when harris teeter is in delaware, i'll consider it a regional chain. kroger and publix in virginia, not so much.
The Harris Teeters are on Delmarva. Kroger has various Virginia locations. Publix is just starting into Virginia, in Richmond. The poster who dragged them into this is German. He admitted that he was not aware that none of the chains are in South Jersey. It's a non-issue.
Lidl announced that they are planning a MidAtlantic rollout but have secured property as far south as Augusta.
Their main competitor in Europe may be Aldi, but make no mistake that they fully intend to compete with traditional grocery stores in the United States. This has been seen time and time again in new markets they enter, and the fact they are going with a new concept store exclusively for the US market shows their intentions.
Aldi would attract price conscious customers and business away from consistently low performing supermarket participants.
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Originally Posted by CH101
That being said, have you been in a newer Aldi recently? They have substantially stepped up their game as well, and have launched a slew of premium, gluten-free and organic products. https://www.minds.com/blog/view/5440...owfoodnotlawns
I have not been to Aldi lately. I am aware it has improved and added products.
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Yes, but if they go through with a purchase, it shows they are not afraid to enter the competitive PA/NJ/NY market.
The New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania markets are highly competitive with Acme (Albertson's), Stop and Shop (Ahold), ShopRite (Wakefern), Wegman's, and various minor chains and independents. Fallout is ongoing from the demise of A&P. How would Kroger enter those markets with supermarkets?
The Harris Teeters are on Delmarva. Kroger has various Virginia locations. Publix is just starting into Virginia, in Richmond. The poster who dragged them into this is German. He admitted that he was not aware that none of the chains are in South Jersey. It's a non-issue.
Kroger's acquisition of Harris Teeter in 2014 greatly improved its presence in Virginia and gained entry into Delaware, Maryland, and the District of Columbia.
Publix is expanding up the Atlantic seaboard. After announcing a store in the Richmond area, I could see further expansion into Arlington-Alexandria, Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, Roanoke, Lynchburg, Charlottesville, Blacksburg, Winchester, Harrisonburg, and Danville. Expansion into Delaware, Maryland, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia is possible.
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Originally Posted by southbound_295
Lidl announced that they are planning a MidAtlantic rollout but have secured property as far south as Augusta.
Lidl does have stores planned or sites selected in Georgia. I know five stores are planned in South Carolina.
Aldi would attract price conscious customers and business away from consistently low performing supermarket participants.
I assume you mean Lidl, but I am not sure if you mean income-constrained customers who need to shop for the lowest-priced groceries or a smart shopper who wants to save money. If the latter, I agree. Aldi has successfully re-invented their model to attract the latter, and I believe Lidl will be going the same direction. Who would have thought just 10 years ago that one would see luxury cars for example in an Aldi parking lot, or the chain emerging as a threat to Whole Foods? (Who is now launching their own limited-assortment chain, 365 By Whole Foods Market)
Sure you can not do all your shopping at an Aldi (or Lidl), but it now attracts mainstream grocery shoppers who will buy all they can at Aldi before filling out the rest of their needs elsewhere. With a bigger store format planned for Lidl, I can see them getting a lot closer to filling out someone's cart in one stop instead.
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Originally Posted by Carolina Knight
The New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania markets are highly competitive with Acme (Albertson's), Stop and Shop (Ahold), ShopRite (Wakefern), Wegman's, and various minor chains and independents. Fallout is ongoing from the demise of A&P. How would Kroger enter those markets with supermarkets?
The South Jersey market specifically (this is a "New Jersey Suburbs of Philadelphia" forum after-all) is only serviced by Acme and Shoprite, with two Wegman's locations thrown into the mix. That is it for traditional stand-alone mid-level grocery stores. You could throw in Walmart/Target stores with grocery attached if you please.
I assume you mean Lidl, but I am not sure if you mean income-constrained customers who need to shop for the lowest-priced groceries or a smart shopper who wants to save money. If the latter, I agree. Aldi has successfully re-invented their model to attract the latter, and I believe Lidl will be going the same direction. Who would have thought just 10 years ago that one would see luxury cars for example in an Aldi parking lot, or the chain emerging as a threat to Whole Foods? (Who is now launching their own limited-assortment chain, 365 By Whole Foods Market)
Sure you can not do all your shopping at an Aldi (or Lidl), but it now attracts mainstream grocery shoppers who will buy all they can at Aldi before filling out the rest of their needs elsewhere. With a bigger store format planned for Lidl, I can see them getting a lot closer to filling out someone's cart in one stop instead.
Aldi and Lidl are similar stores attracting the same customers. Lidl will be offering more than a limited assortment of discount grocery (i.e. dollar store items, house needs).
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Originally Posted by CH101
The South Jersey market specifically (this is a "New Jersey Suburbs of Philadelphia" forum after-all) is only serviced by Acme and Shoprite, with two Wegman's locations thrown into the mix. That is it for traditional stand-alone mid-level grocery stores. You could throw in Walmart/Target stores with grocery attached if you please.
Walmart Supercenter, Walmart Neighborhood Market, Sam's Club, and Super Target do count as food retailers in the hypermarket, supermarket, and wholesale club segments.
Aldi and Lidl are similar stores attracting the same customers. Lidl will be offering more than a limited assortment of discount grocery (i.e. dollar store items, house needs).
Dollar store items? What are you basing this on? Have you even visited a Lidl store in Europe? Low prices do not always equal "dollar store items". I was just in a European Lidl this past year. It is true that they carry non-grocery items as well, but comparing the items to dollar store items is way off base. Unless the dollar stores you shop at sell toaster ovens, comforters, shop vacs, pressure washers, luggage, Sheds etc.....
For the record, Aldi US also carries non-grocery items. Like Lidl Europe, Aldi US has a variety of non-grocery items that they bring in weekly. For example, I purchased a gazebo at Aldi for half the price of a nearly identical one at Home Depot, same quality, still going strong 4 years later.
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Low prices do not always equal "dollar store items". I was just in a European Lidl this past year. It is true that they carry non-grocery items as well, but comparing the items to dollar store items is way off base. Unless the dollar stores you shop at sell 
