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[manderly6]

Not to derail this too much, but of course he could have been kidnapped and murdered in the garage. If I put someone in my trunk and drive to the other end of the garage I kidnapped that person. If I then open up the trunk and kill him I then killed that person.

I have no clue about the case that was mentioned, but it is certainly possible.

[TheLuckoftheDraw]

Originally Posted by manderly6

Not to derail this too much, but of course he could have been kidnapped and murdered in the garage. If I put someone in my trunk and drive to the other end of the garage I kidnapped that person. If I then open up the trunk and kill him I then killed that person.

I have no clue about the case that was mentioned, but it is certainly possible.

What in your view distinguishes kidnapping from false imprisonment? If you tie someone to a chair, against their consent, but move the chair one inch, or pick it up an inch at some point, have you now kidnapped them instead?

[manderly6]

Every definition of the word kidnapping I can find says something along the lines of "moves or transports the victim against their will".

Personally I am fine if it is one inch or 1,000 miles.

[njkate]

Originally Posted by TheLuckoftheDraw

What in your view distinguishes kidnapping from false imprisonment? If you tie someone to a chair, against their consent, but move the chair one inch, or pick it up an inch at some point, have you now kidnapped them instead?

What does it matter in this instance to nit pick over verbiage
The poor man is dead, they also used his ATM card & torched his car

[TheLuckoftheDraw]

Originally Posted by njkate

What does it matter in this instance to nit pick over verbiage
The poor man is dead, they also used his ATM card & torched his car

I'm often interested in the "logic of expression". Why? Probably some combination of the facts that I write and I have a background in analytic philosophy . . . with the latter more being a consequence of a dispositional/personality-based factor rather than being causal.

It's fine if other folks aren't interested in that, but that's what I was commenting on.

[TheLuckoftheDraw]

Originally Posted by manderly6

Every definition of the word kidnapping I can find says something along the lines of "moves or transports the victim against their will".

Personally I am fine if it is one inch or 1,000 miles.

So it would probably be difficult in your view to have a case of false imprisonment that isn't a case of kidnapping instead.

[BergenCountyJohnny]

Originally Posted by njkate

What does it matter in this instance to nit pick over verbiage
The poor man is dead, they also used his ATM card & torched his car

I think why the verbiage matters to this thread is that the person who originally cited this crime piled on the hyperbole in an attempt to use this incident as an indictment of AC being the "baddest worstest" crime city there can be, just to make some point about AC being crappy and worse than anyplace else.

The fact is that crimes, bad crimes, happen in most cities and that casinos, no matter where, do attract crime, so to single out AC based on this incident and brand it as somehow "worse" than any other gambling mecca is not fair. I posted a link to a similar incident in Vegas where a Hooters Casino waitress was also kidnapped, robbed, and killed in their parking lot/garage.

[BergenCountyJohnny]

Originally Posted by HalfFull

"Today was the first day of table games in PA casinos, and they are very brazenly targeting NJ customers."



Brazenly? Is there something wrong with advertising to potential consumers? Or did AC advertising never target anyone in PA?

I never said there is anything wrong with brazenly advertising to potential customers. Where did you get that idea?

[njkate]

Originally Posted by BergenCountyJohnny

I think why the verbiage matters to this thread is that the person who originally cited this crime piled on the hyperbole in an attempt to use this incident as an indictment of AC being the "baddest worstest" crime city there can be, just to make some point about AC being crappy and worse than anyplace else.

The fact is that crimes, bad crimes, happen in most cities and that casinos, no matter where, do attract crime, so to single out AC based on this incident and brand it as somehow "worse" than any other gambling mecca is not fair. I posted a link to a similar incident in Vegas where a Hooters Casino waitress was also kidnapped, robbed, and killed in their parking lot/garage.

AC is a dive...imo...that said I've seen worse areas as far as crime, much as I love to visit, New Orleans comes to mind as being far worse crime wise than AC

[manderly6]

Originally Posted by TheLuckoftheDraw

So it would probably be difficult in your view to have a case of false imprisonment that isn't a case of kidnapping instead.

Never thought about it. But I can tell you the second someone stuffs someone else in a trunk and that car moves I have no problem with calling it kidnapping.