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Old 07-21-2010, 09:28 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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do you mean w'boro and delran? i didn't think w'boro and cinna bordered each other.
It's been years since I went in that area, so I just checked a map. I think it was Willingboro & Bridgeboro. On the other hand, it might have been all the way into Willingboro. It was a very forgetable place. I went there one time, to meet up with someone & just remember driving up 130, which I have always hated to drive on, & remember pulling into the parking lot. It think there was a Sears & a Ports of the World, which was a division of Boscov's, which later consolidated their Ports of the World division under the Boscov name. I think that there were half a dozen other stores.
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Old 07-21-2010, 09:57 AM
 
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i generally don't like malls and don't consider going to one a hobby but rather a necessity. the one i usually go to is Rockaway which is ok, it's been trying to upscale itself for years. if i had to pick a favorite i'd say bridgewater. short hills is good if you want to do some blue blood and nouveau riche people watching. paramus malls do nothing for me, haven't been to newport in over 15 years and don't miss it, woodbridge and menlo are ok, freehold raceway seems to be nothing like when i was last there, nearly 20 years ago. burlington is eh, cherry hill is ok, haven't been to moorestown in forever either, that in the day was fair. i'm sure i'm missing some.
I'm not big on malls, either. I lived in Cherry Hill & for years would only go to the Cherry Hill Mall if I needed to go to Lenscrafters. Haven't been to Echelon for at least 6 years. I usually went to Moorestown, but even there, it was usually in & out of Boscov's. I had found my places that I liked in South Jersey & northern Delaware, so if I needed something, I'd go to that store & in & out. If I had to do a big shopping trip, I preferred to go to Center City Philly, Haddonfield, or northern Delaware, depending on what I needed.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:13 AM
 
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It's been years since I went in that area, so I just checked a map. I think it was Willingboro & Bridgeboro. On the other hand, it might have been all the way into Willingboro. It was a very forgetable place. I went there one time, to meet up with someone & just remember driving up 130, which I have always hated to drive on, & remember pulling into the parking lot. It think there was a Sears & a Ports of the World, which was a division of Boscov's, which later consolidated their Ports of the World division under the Boscov name. I think that there were half a dozen other stores.
You're not thinking of W'boro Plaza, are you? Boscov's used to be there - at the corner of (I think) Van Sciver Pkwy and 130. There's was also a place where Caldor/Bradlees' used to be - that I think was at Levitt Pkwy and 130. Is this mall you're thinking of an indoor mall? I'll have to ask my DH.
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Old 07-21-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: NJ
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That's a lot of geography to cover...Dam tahiti back in the day were you a mall rat with mall hair...j/k
i'll cop to mall hair but not being a mall rat!!!

i've either lived or worked in nearly every corner of the state.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:04 PM
 
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They didn't do a study before building Deptford. If they had built a mall further south, it wouldn't have killed Echelon.
Deptford and Echelon have never had common ownership, and the two are anyways in different municipalities.

So, if Deptford surpassed Echelon, and made Echelon irrelevant, it was good news for Deptford, and the Deptford Mall ownership.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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You're not thinking of W'boro Plaza, are you? Boscov's used to be there - at the corner of (I think) Van Sciver Pkwy and 130. There's was also a place where Caldor/Bradlees' used to be - that I think was at Levitt Pkwy and 130. Is this mall you're thinking of an indoor mall? I'll have to ask my DH.
Honestly, I don't remember. It might have been Willingboro Plaza.

Way back when I got my license, I drove up 130 to get to a craft store & hated the drive. After that, I would gear which exit of 295 would get me closest to a place that was on 130. Eventually, the places that I liked were all closed & I just did not go there. The one exception was going to meet up with a friend who lived in Easthampton. Ports of the World had recently opened there & she liked the store. All I can remember is that there was a Sears automotive building there. I only remember going into Ports of the World, & I think I remember seeing a handful of other stores. I had totally forgotten about the place until charles mentioned a mall that closed on 130. I figured that had to be it.

I only went that one time, & shortly after that Ports of the World opened in the old Gimbels location at the Moorestown Mall.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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Deptford and Echelon have never had common ownership, and the two are anyways in different municipalities.

So, if Deptford surpassed Echelon, and made Echelon irrelevant, it was good news for Deptford, and the Deptford Mall ownership.
The back routes that most of the people took to Echelon from Gloucester County got them in proximity of where the Deptford Mall was built, so, it essentially caught those shoppers before they got to Echelon. If that was the intention, then it was a huge success. I never paid attention as to who the owner was. I simply stated what happened & if the mall had been built elsewhere, further south, it would have been successful, but would have had far less impact on Echelon.
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Old 07-21-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't remember. It might have been Willingboro Plaza.

Way back when I got my license, I drove up 130 to get to a craft store & hated the drive. After that, I would gear which exit of 295 would get me closest to a place that was on 130. Eventually, the places that I liked were all closed & I just did not go there. The one exception was going to meet up with a friend who lived in Easthampton. Ports of the World had recently opened there & she liked the store. All I can remember is that there was a Sears automotive building there. I only remember going into Ports of the World, & I think I remember seeing a handful of other stores. I had totally forgotten about the place until charles mentioned a mall that closed on 130. I figured that had to be it.

I only went that one time, & shortly after that Ports of the World opened in the old Gimbels location at the Moorestown Mall.
There were actually three different centers.

The Shoppes at Cinnaminson (formerly Cinnaminson Mall-had a Caldor and Acme), now anchored by Eickhoff owned ShopRite and Burlington Coat Factory.

The Grand Market Place at Willingboro (used to be a site with a Bradlees store), now is this:
The Grand Market Place - Willingboro - New jersey

Willingboro Town Center (formerly Willingboro Plaza) - a site with once a Sears, and later Boscov's:
now is a mixed-use site with a Burlington County College location.

Another large center, Millside Center, that was redeveloped from run-down, into something nice, is in Delran, and has Target as the primary anchor.

All of the old centers deteriorated for a significant time before there was new ownership and development.

So, the route 130 corridor in Burlington County has mostly improved. There are still no upscale oriented stores like Barnes & Noble or Best Buy yet though.

I think there is one somewhat big plaza in Delran that still remains mostly vacant. It was a site of an old Sam's Club and Staples. Both chains relocated nearby. I don't know the status of this center- if redevelopment is in the works.

Now, most of the remaining suburban highway blight in South Jersey is off Route 30 down in Camden County.

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Old 07-21-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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I never paid attention as to who the owner was. I simply stated what happened & if the mall had been built elsewhere, further south, it would have been successful, but would have had far less impact on Echelon.
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They didn't do a study before building Deptford.
Deptford Mall is positioned very strategically. It doesn't need to be any further south. There are fewer people around further south.

You're right that Deptford was a factor to Echelon. When JCPenney built a store in Deptford, and later abandoned its Echelon store, there was a precipitous decline to Echelon and boost to Deptford. Deptford also went through a renovation, where Echelon was years behind.

Echelon's problems weren't just its competition to the south though.

In fact, the development north in Evesham off Route 73 probably hurt them more over time. That land where the Sagemore shops, and even the small square with Trader Joes, must have rezoned during the late 90's to permit retail - it otherwise, would have been a much better spot for the Rouse Co. or any other owner to build a center way earlier, even if not in the same scale of size as Echelon.

Deptford Mall it also is facing competition now from outdoor plazas. I believe seeing some upscale retail (Jos. A. Bank, Banana Republic) outside in a small center in Sicklerville, and Deptford maybe becoming middle of the range. The Macy's in Deptford is also not as large from what I hear - maybe even smaller than Echelon or Moorestown's Macy's, and some of the surrounding retail to the Deptford mall is uninspiring.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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Livingston Mall is gross, although they do have a nice new big Barnes and Noble.

The Mall at Short Hills is great if you have a ton of money to spend or really like 5th avenue style window shopping. Also, the Macy's there tends to have great sales and a lot of high-quality product.

Willowbrook Mall used to be a lot nicer, it's always too crowded and really nothing special these days.

I'm going to have to make a concerted effort to get back to Bridgewater, Menlo and Woodbridge after reading these threads.

What do you guys think of Rockaway Mall? I haven't been there but am moving to that area.
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