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polling isn't always effective, whether it supports my argument or not, it's not a fair representation of how many people actually disagree with it. and it still doesn't answer my question - how many people are actually against this, when so many people are using phrases such as "so many"?
Not really sure what you're trying to say here. You originally asked "has anyone (in media, on message boards, through organizations) been able to even remotely quantify how many people are supposedly against this?" But you say a poll by a media company like the NY Times doesn't cut it? Why not?!?! Your question is EXACTLY what the NY Times Poll was trying to quantify. Fair representation is always an issue, with ANY type of study, and that's why the people who run polls and studies put the results through a statistical analysis (which was done for the NY Times Poll). These analyses tell you the margin of error and statistical significance of the results, given the sampling size against the entire population. Whether or not you accept the results is up to you. I believe the number was close to what I see in this very thread. There are a few supporters here, who write the vast majority of replies (including insults for anyone with a slightly opposing viewpoint).
Not really sure what you're trying to say here. You originally asked "has anyone (in media, on message boards, through organizations) been able to even remotely quantify how many people are supposedly against this?" But you say a poll by a media company like the NY Times doesn't cut it? Why not?!?! Your question is EXACTLY what the NY Times Poll was trying to quantify. Fair representation is always an issue, with ANY type of study, and that's why the people who run polls and studies put the results through a statistical analysis (which was done for the NY Times Poll). These analyses tell you the margin of error and statistical significance of the results, given the sampling size against the entire population. Whether or not you accept the results is up to you. I believe the number was close to what I see in this very thread. There are a few supporters here, who write the vast majority of replies (including insults for anyone with a slightly opposing viewpoint).
who cares how many people are against or for it? i dont see how you can deny a recognized religion an open space where anyone else could take and use for office space or religious space.
i was at someones home last night and a guy suggested they will build it somewhere else. i didnt argue but there is no way they build it somewhere else. they are there for a reason. ground zero is their monument to their successful attack against america. all muslims celebrate it, they will for thousands of years.
That is just dumb. I know Muslims who survived the WTC attack. They certainly did not celebrate it. They were angry at the terrorists.
There are currently 10 Mosques on the island of Manhattan alone; add in the Bronx, Queens and Staten Island that number goes up to 83. A Mosque is no different from a church, in fact IS a church. Islam is the largest religion in the world. It is not a terrorist cult. Some terrorists happen to be Muslim, some happen to be Christian and guess what there are even Jewish terrorists. Timothy McVeigh was Irish Catholic. Did they put a cease and desist on the building of all Roman Catholic Churches in and around Oklahoma City? i think not. This is no different. I was working at 61 Broadway(30th Floor) on September 11th 2001. I saw both planes hit, I lost a friend that day. I would not dishonor his memory by using his death as a reason to trample the constitution and the foundation of our country.
If you read the thread, then you would have seen why this argument doesn't hold water. Timothy McVeigh didn't bomb the federal building in Oklahoma City for religious reasons.
As for the constitution, myself and others have pointed out that the builders of this mosque do have the right to build it at the site. But we also have the right to speak out against it...and for very specific reasons.
do neo-nazi's in 2010 hate jews? if so, then that would be bad. now if german nazi's (do they still exist?) wanted to open something next to a synagogue, then yeah, big problems. i'm not up on my neo-nazi hate though, as i understood, they just hate anyone who's not white. could be wrong there though.
do muslims hate americans? no. they don't. except for a few crazy ones that would hate us whether they were muslim or not. there's a few crazy people in every group, every religion, every country, and every club, that hate americans, so i guess no one should be allowed to build anything "near" "ground zero".
sure, they can use a book to blame their hatred for us on, but that doesn't mean the book causes the hatred. that's the faultiness of the logic.
That's not really a good argument.
The WTC was a sacrifice in the name of Allah, the biggest attack in our nations history. Hence why its location is so controversial.
They can build it but honestly I dont see it standing for more than one day . Some strong feelings have been stired up over this . I dont like the idea either it is disrespectful and I dont much care muslim , baptist , catholic , jewish what have you , it is a matter of respect . nuff said .
If you read the thread, then you would have seen why this argument doesn't hold water. Timothy McVeigh didn't bomb the federal building in Oklahoma City for religious reasons.
Right, he bombed it for political reasons having to do with objections to federal government actions and policies, so should there be no federal government-related sites there or near there?
And by the way, my search was simply poll mosque ground zero
No "for" or "oppose"
No, no NO!!! bradykp wasn't talking about THOSE studies/polls. They are all FLAWED. What he/she can't seem to find is the ACCURATE one that says most people think the mosque at this location is a really great idea.
In defense, MY google can't find that ONE, either.
Maybe he could email Imam Feisal and ask for a copy of the study that was done by the Cordoba House Initiative???? LOL
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Why not?!?! Your question is EXACTLY what the NY Times Poll was trying to quantify. Fair representation is always an issue, with ANY type of study, and that's why the people who run polls and studies put the results through a statistical analysis (which was done for the NY Times Poll). These analyses tell you the margin of error and statistical significance of the results, given the sampling size against the entire population. Whether or not you accept the results is up to you. I believe the number was close to what I see in this very thread. There are a few supporters here, who write the vast majority of replies (including insults for anyone with a slightly opposing viewpoint).
