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Old 09-23-2010, 11:17 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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While I agree that most folks, especially from outside of the area, do not think of the area above Central Park as Manhattan, that doesn't make them correct. Manhattan goes up to 220th Street.

I also agree that the quality of the apartment you get in Hoboken for, say, $2500 might be better than what you'd get without a lot of hunting in Manhattan for $2500. I hadn't said anything about that. I had simply said that for the money you pay to live in Hoboken, you can live in Manhattan instead--and for me, that's what I'd prefer to do if I were paying that much. There are many reasons why that's the case for me. I'd also pick the East Village over Hoboken in a heartbeat, by the way. I'd also rather live in the close-to-Manhattan parts of Brooklyn and Queens than Hoboken.
but what you're saying is just not true. you cannot get the same things for 2500 in Manhattan as you can in Hoboken.

sure, you can go to 125th street and live in a higher crime area, and maybe get a run down apartment. but that's not the same as living in a safe town, with no city income tax, and more amenities in your apartment and building. for thing thing, 2500 in most of hoboken gets you a parking space in a garage, which would cost at least an additional 250-350/month in manhattan.

now, if you're saying you'd rather forgo those amenities and pay nyc income tax to have access to certain culture of the east village - then fine. but you're forgoing things with dollar value to get things with intrinsic value. which everyone values differently. comparing apples to apples, what you're saying cannot be done (sure, maybe there's a handful of exceptions, but i'd be shocked if it was more than a handful).

1bedroom in hoboken is gonna be a studio in most of manhattan.

show us an apartment that's comparable to a hoboken one for the same price, and gets you to midtown (33rd and 6th) in 20-25 minutes including walking to the path?
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NJT 14C
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but what you're saying is just not true. you cannot get the same things for 2500 in Manhattan as you can in Hoboken.
Oy vey--are you even reading what I'm writing? I had just written this: "I also agree that the quality of the apartment you get in Hoboken for, say, $2500 might be better than what you'd get without a lot of hunting in Manhattan for $2500."
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sure, you can go to 125th street and live in a higher crime area,
"A has a higher crime rate than B" can be true, but it does not at all imply, "I will be safer in B than A".
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but that's not the same as living in a safe town,
I'm assuming that people posting here are not likely drug dealers, gang members, etc. New York is safe for them--or at least as safe as other places are going to be.
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what you're saying cannot be done
Which was what, exactly? What did I say could be done that you're saying couldn't be done?
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: NJT 14C
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just fyi, some Manhattan apartments:

SPACIOUS STUDIO, LUXURY,HIGH CEILINGS,FULL SERVICE,AMAZING VIEWS (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969490079.html - broken link)
⎝Best FLEX 2 on the market~WALLS UP! Don't CALL IF YOU WANT CHEAPER (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969487807.html - broken link)
NO FEE*GIGANTIC 1 BR*FLEX 2*MASSIVE LAYOUT FAB Loc* ELDRIDGE & HOUSTON (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969487369.html - broken link)
700sq.ft/1 bedroom+CONV.2br/laundry/SUNDECK/doorman (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/fee/1969484736.html - broken link)
ONE MONTH FREE RENT! GORGEOUS SPACIOUS STUDIO! GOOD CLOSETS! E.70'S (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/fee/1969478878.html - broken link)

. . . that's just what I found in about 3 minutes searching on Cragislist
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:52 AM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Oy vey--are you even reading what I'm writing? I had just written this: "I also agree that the quality of the apartment you get in Hoboken for, say, $2500 might be better than what you'd get without a lot of hunting in Manhattan for $2500.""A has a higher crime rate than B" can be true, but it does not at all imply, "I will be safer in B than A". I'm assuming that people posting here are not likely drug dealers, gang members, etc. New York is safe for them--or at least as safe as other places are going to be. Which was what, exactly? What did I say could be done that you're saying couldn't be done?
i am reading it. the start of the convo was, you can live in manhattan for the same price as hoboken correct? but you're not comparing apples to apples. yes, i can live in manhattan for the same price, but not in the same facilities, surrounded by the same things, with the same safety. it's just not possible.

and you're pretty much safe all around in Hoboken. there are very very very few incidents, and they happen in a very very very small part of Hoboken where you'll likely never be anyways. Maybe the same can be said about manhattan, but to get an apartment of the same size as one in hoboken, with the same things, you'll have to go to those less desirable areas of manhattan, and quite possibly have a longer commuter.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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just fyi, some Manhattan apartments:

SPACIOUS STUDIO, LUXURY,HIGH CEILINGS,FULL SERVICE,AMAZING VIEWS (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969490079.html - broken link)
⎝Best FLEX 2 on the market~WALLS UP! Don't CALL IF YOU WANT CHEAPER (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969487807.html - broken link)
NO FEE*GIGANTIC 1 BR*FLEX 2*MASSIVE LAYOUT FAB Loc* ELDRIDGE & HOUSTON (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/nfb/1969487369.html - broken link)
700sq.ft/1 bedroom+CONV.2br/laundry/SUNDECK/doorman (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/fee/1969484736.html - broken link)
ONE MONTH FREE RENT! GORGEOUS SPACIOUS STUDIO! GOOD CLOSETS! E.70'S (http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/fee/1969478878.html - broken link)

. . . that's just what I found in about 3 minutes searching on Cragislist
the first one, spacious studiowith 13 ft cielings looks very similar to my friend's studio in Hoboken, which he pays $1500/month for. doesn't have all those amenities, but the nyc listing says heat, hw, gas, and gym are included.

the eldridge and houston apartment says gigantic, but doesn't say what they consider gigantic. for 2200 in hoboken, you could easily top that in size AND get parking and a washer/dryer.

700 sq ft 2 bedroom for 1900 a month? i should just rest my case right there. my apartment was twice that size in hoboken, included parking, and was 2200/month

and that's a nice room you can rent for 1400/month in the bottom listing. i would have rented a person my spare bedroom for 1400/month to cover more than half my rent, and gave them access to a larger bathroom and a kitchen easily 4x that size.

lol


if you want to live in NYC, you're paying to live in NYC. that's fine. but if you don't have a strong desire to live in NYC, save the 4% income tax, get a larger apartment built in the past 10-15 years. have a 30-50 minute commute to work.

like i said before, some parts of Long Island City give hoboken a nice run, but they are still more expensive.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: NJT 14C
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i am reading it. the start of the convo was, you can live in manhattan for the same price as hoboken correct?
Yes, and that's true. I said nothing about whether the residences would be "the same", and that's not implied by my statement.
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yes, i can live in manhattan for the same price, but not in the same facilities, surrounded by the same things, with the same safety. it's just not possible.
I disagree with you on safety, and the things you'd be surrounded by would be better in Manhattan, in my opinion. Re square footage, age of the home, amenities in the building, etc. we'd have to look at various actual properties and compare that stuff. But I had already said that I agree that what you get with respect to that stuff for the same money in Hoboken might be more than what you'd likely get in Manhattan, at least without a lot of hunting.
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and you're pretty much safe all around in Hoboken.
I definitely agree with that. It's just that folks are also going to be safe in NYC, Jersey City, etc.
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you'll have to go to those less desirable areas of manhattan,
Re the apartments I just listed, that's not necessarily the case for most folks, but at any rate, I do not agree that someplace like the East Village (or pretty much anywhere in Manhattan for me) is less desirable than Hoboken. That's subjective.
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and quite possibly have a longer commute.
You would have a longer commute to some places in Manhattan to Downtown or even Midtown, say, if you were in particular neighborhoods in Manhattan, but you also can just have a monthly subway/bus pass and that's it, so you can get all over New York City without having to pay more, plus you can walk many places in NYC if you live there, you can ride a bike all over without having to hassle with it on public transportation, you can take cabs without paying double fares, etc.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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NO FEE - 2 Floors in a Brownstone, Competely Renovated! (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1968976207.html - broken link)
All Fees 50% Off, No App Fee!!! Best Ever! Call Today! (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1969336877.html - broken link)
Hoboken condo with stunning private roof deck - video @ 222willow.com (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1966617113.html - broken link)
Hoboken Huge Modern 3Bed/2Bath Loft Style w/Private BackYard(1400SqFt) (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1966080261.html - broken link)
**NO FEE** 2 BR Downtown Hoboken Updated Condo Furniture Optional (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1965576233.html - broken link)

and these are just on the "no fee" filter. you can often negotiate fee listings down to no fee, or half fee in this market.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: NJT 14C
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the first one, spacious studiowith 13 ft cielings . . .
I'm listing those for prices, not to compare the spaces. I said nothing about comparing spaces.

If you want to compare spaces for some reason, as if that's the only factor in choosing a place to live, we could do that, and Hoboken may very well come out better in that. But that's not what I had made a claim about anyway. I merely said that for the prices someone is going to pay in Hoboken, they could live in Manhattan instead. If they don't care about living in Manhattan, I'd actually suggest using the money they'd spend in Hoboken or Manhattan to buy or rent a mansion in some state I like far better overall, like Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, etc.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: NJT 14C
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NO FEE - 2 Floors in a Brownstone, Competely Renovated! (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1968976207.html - broken link)
All Fees 50% Off, No App Fee!!! Best Ever! Call Today! (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1969336877.html - broken link)
Hoboken condo with stunning private roof deck - video @ 222willow.com (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1966617113.html - broken link)
Hoboken Huge Modern 3Bed/2Bath Loft Style w/Private BackYard(1400SqFt) (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1966080261.html - broken link)
**NO FEE** 2 BR Downtown Hoboken Updated Condo Furniture Optional (http://newyork.craigslist.org/jsy/abo/1965576233.html - broken link)

and these are just on the "no fee" filter. you can often negotiate fee listings down to no fee, or half fee in this market.
Except for the last one, those are all more expensive than the apartments I listed in Manhattan.
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:11 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Yes, and that's true. I said nothing about whether the residences would be "the same", and that's not implied by my statement. I disagree with you on safety, and the things you'd be surrounded by would be better in Manhattan, in my opinion. Re square footage, age of the home, amenities in the building, etc. we'd have to look at various actual properties and compare that stuff. But I had already said that I agree that what you might get with respect to that stuff for the same money in Hoboken might be more than what you'd likely get in Manhattan, at least without a lot of hunting. I definitely agree with that. It's just that folks are also going to be safe in NYC, Jersey City, etc. Re the apartments I just listed, that's not necessarily the case for most folks, but at any rate, I do not agree that someplace like the East Village (or pretty much anywhere in Manhattan for me) is less desirable than Hoboken. That's subjective. You would have a longer commute to some places in Manhattan to Downtown or even Midtown, say, if you were in particular neighborhoods in Manhattan, but you also can just have a monthly subway/bus pass and that's it, so you can get all over New York City without having to pay more, plus you can walk many places in NYC if you live there, you can ride a bike all over without having to hassle with it on public transportation, you can take cabs without paying double fares, etc.
ok - then i misinterpreted what you meant by "prices there are comparable to Manhattan" and "Manhattan isn't as expensive to live in as some folks assume."

i mean, yes of course, i can live in the apartment my friend rented for $800/month in alphabet city. it had room for a couch and a tv, had a kitchenette and a bathroom. but to me, that's "more expensive" than hoboken and not even remotely comparable in price.

i didnt meant to imply east village was less desirable. i was referring to "less desirable" as in the rougher parts of manhattan (there are still some).

and i love JC. i think you move to JC for different reasons than Hoboken. if you're talking about the waterfront area, prices are very close to the same, but you get more peace and quiet in that part of JC and more bars and restaurants in Hoboken.

when you say prices are comprable to manhattan, to me, that means that for a similar apartment, prices are comparable. i mean, i could live in a comparably priced place in scranton as to hoboken, but it will be a mansion - so are prices comparable in scranton? drastic example, but showing you what that statement is saying to most people. yes, it's possible to live in manhattan for $2,000/month. no, it's not comparable to hoboken (or jersey city, for that matter).

heck, you can move to JC Heights and basically be one street outside of hoboken for a fraction of the cost of hoboken.
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