Governor of New Jersey Blocks Hudson Tunnel Project (Hawthorne, Midland Park: middle-class, how much)

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by FrmlyBklyn

The cost overruns are real.....
The right thing to do would be to bid the project out - get a consensus on actual cost and hold the builders to it - meaning they are liable for cost overruns. Why should the taxpayer continually bear the brunt of incompetence performed by bumbling contractors and the PA?

I like the idea of putting a cap on costs, and contracts can be written to make it unprofitable for contractors to keep coming up with overrun ideas, but "the PA"? This is a NJT project. The PA was only contributing money ($3 billion).

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by liamnwk

That means its time to move out of the area instead of cramming more people in. I'm glad the project is killed most of the jobs created from the project were given to connected cronies.

Christie did the right thing


GO CHRISTIE!! Run for president!

What's your evidence for that statement?

I know people who will be out of jobs from the cancellation of this project, and they are not connected cronies. Some of them have small children, and now they are out of work.

Besides, rest assured that Mr. Christie already has his own list of connected cronies and people owes favors to waiting to fill positions in various places whether they are qualified for them or not. He's no different than any other politician in that respect.

[Dorian]

Originally Posted by NJPhilliesPhan

Exactly, growth is not always good. Look at some of the Southern states that grew too much and are now crippled with unemployment and extremely low wages.

NJ can't be compared to southern states. Jersey has a lot more going for it and is better equipped, job wise, to handle more people. The only thing holding it back compared to some states in the south and in the west is the infrastructure. Our roadways are very small for the population, so having trains pick up the slack is a good idea, they should just do a better good of planning.

[dhanu86]

It'll be nice if the current train lines were kept up with frequent rides and affordable instead of this new tunnel thing which would mostly benefit people who live far out in the suburbs... what are they gonna use this for? Disappearing jobs in the city?

[tdstyles]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

You can use the Cross County line , to the PATH system once thats done you'll save at least 100$ on monthly pass. The Cross County line would run form Hawthorne to North Bergen and link up the Main line , Bergen line , Pascack Valley line and Hudson Bergen LRT network. It would use existing ROW and be diesel so this will be a cheap line , eventually the line will extend back to Sparta.

And how is that a direct, one train, commute into Penn Station?

[tdstyles]

Originally Posted by Marv95

Take the 148 then.

http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T1148.pdf

uhhh the 148 is a bus! and there are only 4 of them. They are packed/standing room only packed. Having done bus commuting for over a decade I know there is a difference between a bus commute and a train commute.

[tdstyles]

Once again, I'm selfish, I don't care what it costs. This state wastes billions every year on things that have no impact on my daily life. This would have not only cut 15 minutes off of my commute it would have increased property values in all off the towns on the Main and Bergen lines. So not only do I get to spend more time with my family and less time commuting, my house is worth more. I know this is not a popular position but I truly feel that all of this is just 1's and 0's anyway so if it can improve my life I'm all for it. It's a shallow and narrow minded view, I know, but in this case that's the my position on the tunnel.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by tdstyles

uhhh the 148 is a bus! and there are only 4 of them. They are packed/standing room only packed. Having done bus commuting for over a decade I know there is a difference between a bus commute and a train commute.

And then there's the fun of a bus in snowstorms or other bad-weather conditions, or a breakdown in the XBL...

[Dorian]

Originally Posted by tdstyles

Once again, I'm selfish, I don't care what it costs. This state wastes billions every year on things that have no impact on my daily life. This would have not only cut 15 minutes off of my commute it would have increased property values in all off the towns on the Main and Bergen lines. So not only do I get to spend more time with my family and less time commuting, my house is worth more. I know this is not a popular position but I truly feel that all of this is just 1's and 0's anyway so if it can improve my life I'm all for it. It's a shallow and narrow minded view, I know, but in this case that's the my position on the tunnel.

Whether or not people admit it, most personal opinions about where money is spent in this state is based on selfishness of all of us. I respect the fact that you are admitting it. I believe that if the people who are oppose to it was set to gain as many benefits from it as much as you would their comments would probably sound a lot like yours does.

[CaptainNJ]

Originally Posted by pvs

But CaptainNJ, you seem to forget that each and every commuter sitting in a seat on a train is one less car on the roadways, based on one passenger (the driver) in each car, which is not far from reality. If all those additional cars were on our roads, you would not be able to move, or breathe. No amount of road widening would be able to manage it.

i do appreciate that, id love for them all to get off the road to make my commute go by more quickly. but they have to pay for it just like i pay for my car, gas, auto insurance, etc. etc. and every company that i buy each product from is making a profit (or trying to).

let a private company build the tunnel, pay for the tunnel without any government help and let them charge a fare that allows them to earn a profit.