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Old 01-18-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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It seems so silly how things have ended up! Were these areas always so depressed?
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Huh , what are you talking about? The Railways run through the denser and older areas. Surprising the good areas of Newark , Elizabeth and JC. The people who use public transit the most are poorer or Middle Class. Many cities and towns are transforming there areas around the Railways... As for the PATH it runs through nice areas and its mostly underground.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:51 PM
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I agree with Nexis ... transit usually winds up being in poorer areas, because the poorer folk need the relatively cheap transportation options available, and therefore, typically migrate to areas where they can avail themselves of the services.

As the top 1% get richer, and the middle class fights against itself, dragging itself further down the ladder, more and more of us might be moving into these areas ourselves. Once that happens, you will feel more at home near transit centers. Of course, the transit services will probably be much reduced once the pensions and benefits are no longer good enough to draw qualified workers. And as services are reduced, we ALL know that the prices go up.

Then we can complain about THAT! ;-)
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Adding to what Nexis and PVS says--there is also the age factor. Cities like Paterson and Newark and JC that are considered questionable or "bad areas" were thriving middle-class neighborhoods surrounded by farmland back when the railroads were built. After WWII, with everyone owning cars for the first time and the farms turning into suburbs and subsequent "white flight" from urban areas in the 1960's, the people who couldn't afford cars and suburban homes and who were the ones being run from moved to or stayed in those places.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I agree with Nexis ... transit usually winds up being in poorer areas, because the poorer folk need the relatively cheap transportation options available, and therefore, typically migrate to areas where they can avail themselves of the services.

As the top 1% get richer, and the middle class fights against itself, dragging itself further down the ladder, more and more of us might be moving into these areas ourselves. Once that happens, you will feel more at home near transit centers. Of course, the transit services will probably be much reduced once the pensions and benefits are no longer good enough to draw qualified workers. And as services are reduced, we ALL know that the prices go up.

Then we can complain about THAT! ;-)
The Sprawly Suburbs seem to be dying in this state while the Railway corridors are growing. The Middle Class won't move entire to the Urban areas , but my generation seems to be doing just that. While the older generation seems to be moving to denser towns but not the cities. A prime example of this is the NJ Gold Coast , that part of Urban Jersey has a growing Middle Class area , there also pockets of the Middle Class in Paterson , Newark and Elizabeth. This has been going on for the past 5-10 years. I doubt Transit will be reduced due to the pensions....i think we will go automatic on light rail and PATH system which will cut the force by half. Buses and Regional Rail will never be automatic...
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