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Old 02-19-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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The teachers caused the economic collapse, people, not the vermin on Wall Street. Let's lay teachers off and chop their benefits to make us all feel better.

Republicans have turned common sense on its head
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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There are so many factors here, I don't think you can just take these two data points (average teacher salary and average house cost) and make these conclusions.

Really whats your conclusion? I know the great talking points that NJ teachers are among the highest paid in the country is great to use as an argument. So why then when actual fact are provided proving that they dont exactly have it so great is it not enough to prove anything?
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:14 PM
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Location: West Orange, NJ
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Really whats your conclusion? I know the great talking points that NJ teachers are among the highest paid in the country is great to use as an argument. So why then when actual fact are provided proving that they dont exactly have it so great is it not enough to prove anything?
i think it's what is commonly said, but i don't think many people really believe that teachers make a whole lot when cost of living is concerned. sure, some teachers make $100k/yr, but they are the exception not the rule. i think there's definitely some waste in NJ but I would want to know if comparing to Wisconsin schools, how are their AP programs, sports programs, art and lit programs, etc. I still think a lot of NJ folk don't realize how great the public schools here are. the ones people consider "bad" here still blow a lot of other states out of the water. that stuff costs money!
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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Just cruising by and happened to see the thread title. As a WI resident, I want to know where you get the idea that WI is a cheap state to live in? I know NJ is up there, but WI is, too. Of the six states I've lived in (PA, NC, GA, MI, KY, and WI), WI is by far the most expensive place tax-wise. Not sure what your property taxes are, but ours are over 2%, in addition to high state and county income taxes, and fees for everything under the sun. The pain is only going to get worse with the current $3 billion deficit.

As other posters have said, there is much more to the equation than salary. Plus, do you really want to be in a place that is taking away the teachers' union's collective bargaining rights?

Oh yeah, there's another reason housing is cheap here. Come visit in January/February (or October - April) and maybe you'll have an idea why... It's not called the Frozen Tundra for nothing.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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this is problem that is only going to get worse. the salaries and benefits are too good but the real back breaker of the regular taxpayer is the retirement benefits. those need to be eliminated.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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Plus, do you really want to be in a place that is taking away the teachers' union's collective bargaining rights?
Yes. I do.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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the problem with collective bargaining rights and public employees is that the taxpayers arent fairly represented. with private companies, if the company gives too much to the unions they will go bankrupt (unless they get a government bailout). for government workers, the unions squeeze out overly generous salaries and benefits and they just take more taxes from taxpayers. they also use their political power as bargaining leverage which really isnt appropriate in a collective bargaining situation.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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its funny how you have all these debates about how much teachers deserve based on the work they do. that means absolutely nothing. what matters is how much it would cost to keep a teacher working on the job in a stable manner so they will do what they are supposed to. i guarantee i can find people to do it much cheaper than the government is able to.
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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Who give a carp about what teachers are being paid in Wisconsin?
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Old 02-19-2011, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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Who give a carp about what teachers are being paid in Wisconsin?
this is an issue that is going to be addressed everywhere. i just read an article in the community reporter and it said in asbury park public school students cost about $24k per year average. the overall average in nj is around $14k per year per student. these costs will grow like nobody believes as time goes on due to retirement costs.
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