Wisconsin teachers vs NJ Teachers (move, radio, best)

[bradykp]

read the wpri one, looks promising at least. seems to be that it's still not clear, according to that author. but in general, students are doing better across the board.

"Midway through our longitudinal study there is reason for disappointment but also reason for assurance. We haven’t uncovered clear evidence that choice students are learning at higher rates than other MPS students. We do know, however, that all Milwaukee students are benefiting academically from the competitive pressures of the voucher program."

looks like they are excited to have more data and analyze it further though. thanks again!

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by bradykp

read the wpri one, looks promising at least. seems to be that it's still not clear, according to that author. but in general, students are doing better across the board.

"Midway through our longitudinal study there is reason for disappointment but also reason for assurance. We haven’t uncovered clear evidence that choice students are learning at higher rates than other MPS students. We do know, however, that all Milwaukee students are benefiting academically from the competitive pressures of the voucher program."

looks like they are excited to have more data and analyze it further though. thanks again!

If you read the other link you will find the data he was waiting for.

Decreased cost and significant increases in graduation rates as well as improving public schools. A win all around, except for unions. That is why we are unlikely to see it spread. Obama killed it in DC because of union opposition. A real disgrace.

[bradykp]

Originally Posted by shorebaby

If you read the other link you will find the data he was waiting for.

Decreased cost and significant increases in graduation rates as well as improving public schools. A win all around, except for unions. That is why we are unlikely to see it spread. Obama killed it in DC because of union opposition. A real disgrace.

eh, there's more to it than that i think. i'm going to listen to this full interview tomorrow but here's a short story on npr about michelle rhee:

Former D.C. Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee Aims To Put 'StudentsFirst' : NPR

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by bradykp

eh, there's more to it than that i think. i'm going to listen to this full interview tomorrow but here's a short story on npr about michelle rhee:

Former D.C. Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee Aims To Put 'StudentsFirst' : NPR

She is impressive. Christie tried to get her to come here.

[bababua]

Originally Posted by shorebaby

She is impressive. Christie tried to get her to come here.

She has also told some impressive lies. Check them out yourself. Sorta of stretched some truths or just lied depending on whose side you are on.

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by bababua

She has also told some impressive lies. Check them out yourself. Sorta of stretched some truths or just lied depending on whose side you are on.

Please link. I haven't read anything to indicate she is less than truthful.

[lkb0714]

Originally Posted by shorebaby

Please link. I haven't read anything to indicate she is less than truthful.

She lied when she stated that when she was a teacher she raised test scores of her students from 13th percentile to 90th percentile. She has also repeatedly used this number to place herself in the light of an expert on education reform both in the public and on her own resume. Unfortunately she either completely made it up or does not understand basic statistics.

Rhee faces renewed scrutiny over depiction of students' progress when she taught

The Rhee Miracle Examined Again – By Cohort « GFBrandenburg's Blog

She also lied when she said "I got rid of teachers who had hit children, who had had sex with children, who had missed 78 days of school," in response to laying of 228 teachers for SOLELY BUDGETARY REASONS. Only one of those teachers laid off was accused of any misconduct on any level.

Update: Michelle Rhee vs. the D.C. Teachers' Union | Fast Company
Rhee says laid-off teachers in D.C. abused kids - washingtonpost.com

Its really no big deal as long as we remember that first and foremost Michelle Rhee is a POLITICIAN and not an expert on education. Politicians are not expected to give unbiased opinions but researchers are.

My only issue with Ms. Rhee is her continuing to place herself as an expert on education based on her success as both a teacher and administrator. The modest gains made in DC were a group effort and not hers by any stretch.

[shorebaby]

Originally Posted by lkb0714

She lied when she stated that when she was a teacher she raised test scores of her students from 13th percentile to 90th percentile. She has also repeatedly used this number to place herself in the light of an expert on education reform both in the public and on her own resume. Unfortunately she either completely made it up or does not understand basic statistics.

Well that's not true. From your own link.

"Rhee, who resigned last year as chancellor, denied fabricating anything about her record and said Brandenburg's conclusion was unfounded. But she acknowledged this week that she could have described her accomplishments differently in 2007, when then-Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D) selected her to be chancellor."


Rhee faces renewed scrutiny over depiction of students' progress when she taught

Originally Posted by lkb0714

Its really no big deal as long as we remember that first and foremost Michelle Rhee is a POLITICIAN and not an expert on education. Politicians are not expected to give unbiased opinions but researchers are.

My only issue with Ms. Rhee is her continuing to place herself as an expert on education based on her success as both a teacher and administrator. The modest gains made in DC were a group effort and not hers by any stretch.

It is common for those defending the status quo to try to tear down anyone who will try to look out for the best interest of the kids and that is what we are seeing here.

[lkb0714]

Originally Posted by shorebaby

Well that's not true. From your own link.

The second link shows her actual numbers. Forgive me if I am unsurprised you ignored it.

[bradykp]

Originally Posted by lkb0714

She lied when she stated that when she was a teacher she raised test scores of her students from 13th percentile to 90th percentile. She has also repeatedly used this number to place herself in the light of an expert on education reform both in the public and on her own resume. Unfortunately she either completely made it up or does not understand basic statistics.

Rhee faces renewed scrutiny over depiction of students' progress when she taught

The Rhee Miracle Examined Again – By Cohort « GFBrandenburg's Blog

She also lied when she said "I got rid of teachers who had hit children, who had had sex with children, who had missed 78 days of school," in response to laying of 228 teachers for SOLELY BUDGETARY REASONS. Only one of those teachers laid off was accused of any misconduct on any level.

Update: Michelle Rhee vs. the D.C. Teachers' Union | Fast Company
Rhee says laid-off teachers in D.C. abused kids - washingtonpost.com

Its really no big deal as long as we remember that first and foremost Michelle Rhee is a POLITICIAN and not an expert on education. Politicians are not expected to give unbiased opinions but researchers are.

My only issue with Ms. Rhee is her continuing to place herself as an expert on education based on her success as both a teacher and administrator. The modest gains made in DC were a group effort and not hers by any stretch.

what makes her a politician? i think she did a lot of great things in D.C. she's not perfect, but i also think the organization she started, StudentsFirst, is a good thing. will i agree with everything she does? no...but she has some great ideas.

here's another link:

Michelle Rhee Wants to Spend $1 Billion Fixing Education | Fast Company