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Nah, maybe not cynical, just uninformed. Cheap would be nice, but construction in the NY metro area will never fit that description.
That's the point of the rehab--to keep it structurally sound until the funds are available to rebuild. If you've been paying attention, there are some far more critical bridge projects in the area that need attention first.
Ever heard of the Pulaski Skyway? Google the term "fracture critical".
The Goethals Bridge? The Bayonne? Well, OK, the Bayonne isn't outdated structurally, but the roadway needs to be raised to allow the navigational clearance for the economic health of the area.
Oh geez....I was just driving on that a few weeks ago.
To do a complete replacement would require a lot of money that's just not available right now due to higher-priority projects. Eventually, they will likely have to replace the helix, but since they can't close the tunnel full-time without sending the NJ/NY commute into hell, it will have to be a very expensive, carefully designed project enabling a replacement in stages while keeping the tunnel open and the users safe.
i always wondered where the $8 per car goes to. how can they possibly not be building up funds to maintain these things? if 100,000 cars go through there per day, that's $800,000 per day. and i would bet more than 100,000 cars pass through in a day. they should spend what they need to spend to fix that helix, or reduce traffic using the tunnel somehow (think...secaucus junction parking lot baby!!!!).
Nah, maybe not cynical, just uninformed. Cheap would be nice, but construction in the NY metro area will never fit that description.
That's the point of the rehab--to keep it structurally sound until the funds are available to rebuild. If you've been paying attention, there are some far more critical bridge projects in the area that need attention first.
Ever heard of the Pulaski Skyway? Google the term "fracture critical".
The Goethals Bridge? The Bayonne? Well, OK, the Bayonne isn't outdated structurally, but the roadway needs to be raised to allow the navigational clearance for the economic health of the area.
good point. they are doing massive construction over where rt 7 and 1&9 intersect. that's going to be going on for a while i think. and who said there's no construction jobs in this economy. lol
i always wondered where the $8 per car goes to. how can they possibly not be building up funds to maintain these things? if 100,000 cars go through there per day, that's $800,000 per day. and i would bet more than 100,000 cars pass through in a day. they should spend what they need to spend to fix that helix, or reduce traffic using the tunnel somehow (think...secaucus junction parking lot baby!!!!).
you think teachers/cops/firemen are the downfall of society? oooo boy, we haven't even talked about PA workers!
Yea , the Steel is exposed on some of the supports. There replacing the Jersey City side atm..
That's great that the Jersey City one is being currently worked on . But as bradykp had mentioned about the $8 tolls, I also wonder what that money is going to.
That's great that the Jersey City one is being currently worked on . But as bradykp had mentioned about the $8 tolls, I also wonder what that money is going to.
yeah i mean honestly...just think how much money is collected per day between the GWB, Lincoln, Holland, Verrazzano, and Goethals. I think i missed a view Port Authority Bridges as well. Surely, some of that must go to subsidize the PATH tickets which are definitely not as expensive as they would be if it were a private commuter rail...but how does that system not somewhat pay for itself? I assume they rent out that space with all those high priced billboards also over the tunnels right? my gosh....
It's all public information. But the toll money for each facility isn't necessarily spent on that facility. And as far as PATH goes, that's been run at a loss for 50 years. The fares collected don't even cover the electric bill to run the trains.
Most of the revenue, around 60 percent, comes from the airports.
You also have to remember that enormous multi-billion dollar construction site in lower Manhattan, which is sucking in a lot of the $$$
It's all public information. But the toll money for each facility isn't necessarily spent on that facility. And as far as PATH goes, that's been run at a loss for 50 years. The fares collected don't even cover the electric bill to run the trains.
Most of the revenue, around 60 percent, comes from the airports.
You also have to remember that enormous multi-billion dollar construction site in lower Manhattan, which is sucking in a lot of the $$$
yeah i know the PATH runs at a loss, if you count only the fares the path collects and all that jazz, but i figured the tolls partially subsidize the true cost of running the PATH.
the point is though, they are pulling in a lot of money on those bridges.
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Google the term "fracture critical".
