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Old 08-08-2007, 10:40 PM
 
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from the Asbury Park Press:

Corzine Checks In On Newark Shootings
Here's a part of what the governor said about the Newark shootings in which three young people were murdered execution style and a fourth was severly wounded:

"I have to say it is beyond comprehension. It is more than statistics and more than a story. It is about a failure of us to be inclusive and holistically look to bring everyone into our society."

Gee, the simpleton in me was putting all of the blame of this tragedy on the murdering animals that committed the crime. My bad.

N.J needs a leader and we get a new age psychobabbler.

Please, someone tell me this article is a mistake.
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Old 08-08-2007, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Hopewell New Jersey
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Sorry Doc...this is what passes for leadership today......... too bad he forgot to address the families with the "I feel your pain" line... It would have been a nice touch
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Old 08-09-2007, 12:56 AM
 
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You took that quote out of context. How about posting all of what our governor had to say about the incident?
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:54 AM
 
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You took that quote out of context. How about posting all of what our governor had to say about the incident?
That's what I got off of the APP web site. If he didn't say it. My mistake.

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Old 08-09-2007, 06:55 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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>It is about a failure of us to be inclusive and holistically look to bring everyone into our society.<

Naw. We need to take the killers OUT of society.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Ocean County, NJ
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>It is about a failure of us to be inclusive and holistically look to bring everyone into our society.<

Naw. We need to take the killers OUT of society.
The problem is, we keep breeding more and more killers. What we need to look at is WHY the little $hit felt the need to put bullets into the back of other kid's heads. What breeds the apathy that makes this OK to that kid and his friends. What makes it ok to turn a routine (sad isnt it) mugging into an execution style murder?
Unfortunately with the everyone in the USA trying to act all politically correct and not calling a spade a spade (not meant in a derogatory sense at all) and not actually DOING something about this type of scenario, i doubt things will get better any time soon.
This topic can be debated till you're blue in the face, and i believe 90% of this starts at home.
sigh.
Its just a sad stupid stupid thing, and while it means virtually nothing, my heart goes out to the families suffering with their loss.
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Old 08-09-2007, 09:06 AM
 
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I can't believe that was an actual quotation. How about reinstating the death penalty and applying 2000 volts to these savages when they are caught? It's all about accountability for one's actions, not a failure to be inclusive and holistically bring everyone into society. By virtue of their actions, these brigands opted out of society. Please, everyone do yourselves a favor and vote this bum out of office the next election, whenever it is. And, lest you accuse me of partisan politics, had this been Whitman, or Kean, I'd be echoing the same sentiments. How could this man even keep a window crack open to justify such behavior?
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Lived Large in Parsippany NJ - Lived Larger in Livingston, NJ -- Now Living Huge in Bethlehem PA
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The problem is, we keep breeding more and more killers. What we need to look at is WHY the little $hit felt the need to put bullets into the back of other kid's heads. What breeds the apathy that makes this OK to that kid and his friends. What makes it ok to turn a routine (sad isnt it) mugging into an execution style murder?
Unfortunately with the everyone in the USA trying to act all politically correct and not calling a spade a spade (not meant in a derogatory sense at all) and not actually DOING something about this type of scenario, i doubt things will get better any time soon.
This topic can be debated till you're blue in the face, and i believe 90% of this starts at home.
sigh.
Its just a sad stupid stupid thing, and while it means virtually nothing, my heart goes out to the families suffering with their loss.
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Unfortunately some these kids do not have a home with caring parents others do not even know where their parents are...so they pretty much care about nothing. I mentored a 13yr old who was sent to Juve for stealing cars and robbing....guess what he somehow was able to escape from South Jersey and come back to Newark...and that same night he got arrested for stealing another car at gun point and then crashing the car...and oh yes he did get arrested...but then my question is what's next?
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Old 08-09-2007, 07:15 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Surprised Jon didn't mention raising the gas tax as a way to prevent this from happening again.
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Old 08-10-2007, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Ocean County, NJ
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Unfortunately some these kids do not have a home with caring parents others do not even know where their parents are...so they pretty much care about nothing. I mentored a 13yr old who was sent to Juve for stealing cars and robbing....guess what he somehow was able to escape from South Jersey and come back to Newark...and that same night he got arrested for stealing another car at gun point and then crashing the car...and oh yes he did get arrested...but then my question is what's next?
Thats my point exactly. its a vicious cycle that starts with a lacking homelife. Kid comes from crap, believes in crap, has faith in crap, then starts making crap all over everyone else. its not so much who you blame (unwed mom, abusive uncle, missing dad, brother in a gang) but how do you break that cycle.
Unfortunately, this debate has been going on for ages, and its far above me.
IMHO
Its easy to say, GIVE EM WELFARE, but that breeds laziness.
Its easy to say, LOCK EM UP AND KILL EM, but that breeds apathy.
Its easy to say, TAKE AWAY THEIR WELFARE, but that will cause riots.
Its easy to say alot of things but I dont think the solution will be very easy.
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