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Old 03-19-2012, 07:21 PM
 
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I'm not so sure Essex County politicians wouldn't stand for the kinds of things which go on in Newark, provided they got a cut. In any case, you can't govern Newark from outside Newark; you'd get riots. (of course it's questionable if you can govern Newark from inside Newark)
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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I'm not so sure Essex County politicians wouldn't stand for the kinds of things which go on in Newark, provided they got a cut. In any case, you can't govern Newark from outside Newark; you'd get riots. (of course it's questionable if you can govern Newark from inside Newark)
Agreed you can't govern Newark from outside, but in a new larger Newark (Essex county) the current Newark would be a large neighborhood and it all would be Newark.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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Newark should annex most of it's former territory (East Orange, South Orange, Maplewood, Irvington, Bloomfield, Belleville, Orange, West Orange, and actually Elizabeth). This would create a nationally-prominent city of close to 1 million residents. It would solve most of the tax-revenue issues faced by Newark's current configuration, while consolidating and eliminating redundancies in many of these areas, that currently cost taxpayers needless, large amounts of money.
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Old 06-21-2012, 07:34 PM
 
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Newark should annex most of it's former territory (East Orange, South Orange, Maplewood, Irvington, Bloomfield, Belleville, Orange, West Orange, and actually Elizabeth). This would create a nationally-prominent city of close to 1 million residents. It would solve most of the tax-revenue issues faced by Newark's current configuration, while consolidating and eliminating redundancies in many of these areas, that currently cost taxpayers needless, large amounts of money.
It can't annex that territory, fortunately. If it could, it wouldn't create a nationally prominent city of close to 1 million residents. It would create a city with a burned-out core which would tax the remaining wealth out of S.O., Maplewood, Bloomfield, Belleville, and West Orange, causing the flight of wealthy people from those (former) towns. Just another disaster on the Detroit model.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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It can't annex that territory, fortunately. If it could, it wouldn't create a nationally prominent city of close to 1 million residents. It would create a city with a burned-out core which would tax the remaining wealth out of S.O., Maplewood, Bloomfield, Belleville, and West Orange, causing the flight of wealthy people from those (former) towns. Just another disaster on the Detroit model.
You always say this but you never really give reasons why. How would taxes go 'up' if Essex became Newark? Those towns are already taxed for Newark. County taxes would simply become city taxes.

Current Newark is too small to cause a mass exodus like that, original Newark wealth exploded into Essex county decades ago.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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no one wants Newark corruption in their towns
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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no one wants Newark corruption in their towns
I have news for ya , Newark style corruption is in every town and city in this state why do you think property taxes are so high?
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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no one wants Newark corruption in their towns


Yeah because Jersey City (and Hudson County in general) is free of corruption.
Within the past four years alone...

Jersey City’s Greasy Palms: Inside the 2009 Federal Corruption Probe | The Jersey City Independent
Former Jersey City deputy mayor caught in corruption sting to enter prison Sunday | NJ.com
Former Jersey City Council President Mariano Vega Jr. sentenced to 30 months in federal prison | NJ.com
Mayor Jerramiah Healy is official mentioned in Jersey City corruption complaint | Politicker NJ
No Jail For Former Jersey City Official in Corruption Case
Jersey City's newest deputy mayor pleaded guilty three years ago in federal court to misdemeanor charge | NJ.com
Jersey City Deputy Mayor Kabili Tayari charged with theft | NJ.com
Jersey City City Council approves $6.8 million payment to JCIA to retire some debt | NJ.com


Ledger Live: Historical Corruption Tour of Jersey City - YouTube

Need we go on?

Not to mention misbehavior such as Jerry Healy's drunken bouts at the shore, Councilman Lipski's off-the-balcony urination on a crowd of people, and other craziness.

Jersey City has no business pointing fingers at Newark when it comes to corruption and political shenanigans!
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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no one wants Newark corruption in their towns
As opposed to what? JC? The rest of NJ? Do you know what state we're in? Corruption in NJ may not be the worst in the nation, but it's rampant, consistent, and unending (especially Hudson county which consistently ranks among the worst). Newark corruption sucks, but NJ doesn't even need Newark to keep that characteristic.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:47 PM
 
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reiterating my vote for Jersey City annexing all of its nearby micro cities.

Jersey City - 14.88 mi / pop. 247,597
Hoboken - 1.27 mi. / pop. 50,005
Union City - 1.27 mi. / pop. 66,455
West New York - 2.6 mi. / pop. 49,708
Guttenberg - .19 mi. / pop. 11,176 (yes that's just .19 miles!)
Weehawken - .85 mi. / pop. 12,370
North Bergen - 5.19 mi. / pop. 55,270

Creating a city 26.25 mi. sq. and a population of 492,581

this "city" already exists, it just needs to be made official.
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