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Old 10-04-2011, 01:55 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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The Occupy Wall Street group has a video posted on their website asking different protestors why they are there. One protestor, a young college student, proudly proclaims that she is there because "My dad lost his job and now I have to drop out of school because he can't afford to put me in college anymore." I am not even kidding. The spoiled immaturity and sense of entitlement in that statement is astounding.

I am pretty confident that YOU, bradykp, and maybe a handful of others know what you are talking about re: subprime lending, commercial mortgage-backed securities, etc. etc. Or, at least, you have an intelligent understanding of the events that lead us here. But there are a whole lot more people, in my opinion, that don't have a clue about what you are talking about. THOSE are the people I have a problem with, and THOSE are the people who are draining this protest of what little credibility it had in the first place. If you are gonna rabble rouse, block traffic, wait for a free rock concert and dress up like a zombie...and you don't know WTF you are talking about...I have no respect for that.

Protesting a boogeyman named "Wall Street" and protesting an abstract, nebulous concept like "corporate greed" is only slightly less dumb than the Tea Party idiots who go around beating their chests about "socialism" and "communism" and 'Merika becoming a "3rd world country". Two sides of the same coin. Lots of idealistic propaganda being spouted from the angry mouths of bitter people looking for a catch-all scapegoat and eating up the rhetoric with a spoon. The only different is in the scapegoat.

"Rich people/Wall Street are ruining everybody's life!"
"Libs/Muslims/Gays/Mexicans/Welfare recipients are ruining everybody's life!"

Two sides of the same coin.

See above regarding my feelings on the Tea Party. In my opinion, taking pointers from them doesn't make you look smart.

That's fine. And since they are breaking the law, they should expect that there will be consequences. Don't go crying to the media that the NYPD "trapped" you on the Brooklyn Bridge. It's disingenuous and the opposite of "civil".

Come on. We all know that the WTC was a universal symbol of financial prosperity and Wall Street. The WTC was the capital of Wall Street. It was an icon of corporate America.

Yes. I know lots of janitors, security guards, receptionists, doormen, cashiers, mail clerks, file clerks, interns, temps, secretaries, etc. etc., died there. That goes without saying. I'm not saying that these protestors are speaking out against the victims of 9-11. I'm saying that it is a callous, DUMB stunt in POOR TASTE to have people dress up like bloody suit & tie-wearing zombies walking around downtown near where actual dead suit & tie-wearing bodies rained down from the sky and disintegrated into the street. But this probably NEVER even occurred to Occupy Wall Street protestors. That might even be worse than accusing them of speaking out against the victims of 9-11 (which I'm not doing).

I don't have a problem with their salaries. My point is that it's hypocritical for protestors to complain that the "1%" make millions of dollars and live lives of luxury and glamor, but then fawn over glamorous million dollar celebrities and act like these stars are saints for being sympathetic, when really, they are most likely there for the valuable publicity opp (Sarandon has 1 movie coming out in the near future and 4 more in post production). But, fine. Let's say that these celebrities have genuine intentions. It still doesn't change the hypocrisy of the protestors.

All these people milling around with iPhones, Cannon cameras, Sony laptops, North Face backpacks, Coach bags and J. Crew sweaters, grumbling that the rich are too rich...but, oh look! It's Russell Simmons! Lemme get a pic so I can post it on Facebook!
to the rest of your points. i don't think because of the statement you quoted, that makes that college student a spoiled, immature, entitled, college student. maybe she is. but maybe she's not. she's just stating the truth. she was in college, and her parents were paying for it. now, her father lost his job, and her family can't afford to send her to college. doesn't mean she won't go back and finish, just means she had to drop out for now.

i realize associating it to the Tea Party isn't a great idea, but has the tea party movement not changed the conversation in national politics? fact is, it worked, to some degree, and now there are others that want to raise the other ideological viewpoints. i don't have to agree with everything they say to realize that their tactics are effective.

as for the arrests, i've heard a handful of interviews where these people view themselves as being arrested as the start of a revolution of attracting more people to their cause. of course they are going to "go crying to the media" - that's how you bring attention to something.

WTC - again. sorry, i disagree. the folks protesting don't need to apologize for the "corporate zombie" analogy. it's one that existed before the WTC attacks happened. you're making that association, and i think it's quite a leap.

and again, i don't see why protestors can't unite with people of better means for the cause. it doesn't make them hypocritical. you don't have to be lower income to believe in certain causes, and you don't have to exclude higher income people from your cause or be labeled a hypocrite.

i don't really know what to make of your reference to phones, laptops, and digital cameras. an iphone is $50. a laptop is cheap now too. a cannon digital camera could be had for under $100. i'm sorry if i don't think you have to be in public housing with no microwave to be concerned about the income gap in our country that has developed.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:01 PM
 
Location: NJ
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this "occupy wall street" stuff will have no effect. there have been much bigger protests that have been forgotten the very next day. they can protest all they like, they will have no lasting impact. they cant be compared to the tea party, because the tea party is awesome and they are just a bunch of pot smoking dirty kids with nothing better to do.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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when i lived in dc, i used to enjoy watching the protesters. there were a lot of small protests every so often and then the biggest was the world bank protest. i saw these people. these werent normal people. they were college losers, hippy morons and high school losers (the anarchists). i understand times are different, but i bet thats what makes up most of the occupy wall street group.
i guess the same could be said about the folks comprising the tea party then?

sorry, but educated non losers care about government too. on both sides of the spectrum.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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Exactly, forced by the Federal Government to make loans to unqualified people that in effect caused housing values to go down across the State.
how exactly did the federal goverment force anyone to make loans?
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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They can't find jobs though because of an environment created by the person they voted for in 2008. Employers are scared, we have regulation upon regulation forced upon them, who wants to expand their business and hire new people when they have no idea what else is going to be forced upon them? and we haven't even gotten to healthcare yet.

New Jersey has regulations in effect as far as healthcare goes that have a lot of similarities to what Obama pushed through, what has that done for us? we have some of the highest if not the highest insurance premiums in the Country, we've driven competition out of the State because of regulations so we have fewer companies to choose from and we can't shop across State lines. I pay high property taxes in NJ, I pay for my own health insurance, when I'm up for renewal next year on my health insurance it's going to cost me twice as much as my property taxes, and Obama's "solution" to healthcare costs aren't going to help me at all, and will actually force more people to depend on the Government for their healthcare, well where's the money going to come from to pay for all this?

These protesters with their IPOD's, Laptops, and fancy Cellphones have absolutely no idea what they're protesting, to them it's just a "cool thing to do". The US isn't far behind what's going on in Greece and what's trickling into Europe right now.
what new regulations have been forced upon companies since the elected official in 2008?

remember, it was the 8 years of the prior elected official that resulted in one of the largest net job losses of a presidency. the elected official of 2008 has seen net job growth so far....

Massachussets has the strictist healthcare regulations for a state, and they seem to be doing fine. NJ has a whole set of other problems, related to horrible accounting principles by governors both democrat and republican over the past 2 decades.

where's money going to come to pay for healthcare? you're already paying higher premiums because doctors must provide care to those who can't pay. if more people are forced to have coverage of some sort, you actually have a chance of premiums going down.

The U.S. has no similarities to what's going on in Greece right now, because our economy is exponentially larger and more diverse than the Greek economy.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: NJ
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i guess the same could be said about the folks comprising the tea party then?

sorry, but educated non losers care about government too. on both sides of the spectrum.
plenty of people do say that about the tea party now. but i did just see you suggest the tea party has impacted to national political conversation. so i guess they have succeeded.

this current protest will amount to nothing because there is no genuine unifying message that makes any sense. then you have the one that the protestors would like to use, but wont appeal to mainstream america (communism).
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:23 PM
 
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this "occupy wall street" stuff will have no effect. there have been much bigger protests that have been forgotten the very next day. they can protest all they like, they will have no lasting impact. they cant be compared to the tea party, because the tea party is awesome and they are just a bunch of pot smoking dirty kids with nothing better to do.
if the tea party is a bunch of pot smoking dirty kids with nothing better to do, then i agree, that's pretty awesome.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: West Orange, NJ
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plenty of people do say that about the tea party now. but i did just see you suggest the tea party has impacted to national political conversation. so i guess they have succeeded.

this current protest will amount to nothing because there is no genuine unifying message that makes any sense. then you have the one that the protestors would like to use, but wont appeal to mainstream america (communism).
yeah, they've managed to steer the discussion into absolute lunacy and irresponsible decisions. if that's a success, congratulations!

the message isn't communism, the message is to address the climate that has helped create the largest wealth gap this nation has seen since the years leading up to the great depression. and look were it got us...the largest recession that the nation has seen since the great depression.

keep dreaming. the movement will grow. as it's been said many times, the higher income folks can believe whatever they want to believe, but keep kicking the class of people that make the products they sell, buy the products they sell, and truly fuel the economy...and you're going to have a group of unhappy people.

go ahead though, keep calling them lazy jobless people with no message. surely that will make it all go away.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: NJ
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yeah, they've managed to steer the discussion into absolute lunacy and irresponsible decisions. if that's a success, congratulations!

the message isn't communism, the message is to address the climate that has helped create the largest wealth gap this nation has seen since the years leading up to the great depression. and look were it got us...the largest recession that the nation has seen since the great depression.

keep dreaming. the movement will grow. as it's been said many times, the higher income folks can believe whatever they want to believe, but keep kicking the class of people that make the products they sell, buy the products they sell, and truly fuel the economy...and you're going to have a group of unhappy people.

go ahead though, keep calling them lazy jobless people with no message. surely that will make it all go away.
"irresponsible decisions" is quite a funny term for the tea party. the tea party is pushing the exact opposite of that. i guess we choose to ignore the predicament of europe where spending has put them in a situation of near collapse.

the message is communism. you say its "to address the blah blah" but the way they wish to address the blah blah is with communism. so thats it.

the people in the street protesting are just that. they will never "go away." as long as you have dirty pot smoking college kids, loser high school kids and various hippy adults; you will have protesters. but they wont cause any mainstream issues, because they arent a mainstream group. the tea party is.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Tea Party =

Occupy Wall Street Protesters =
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