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Old 01-02-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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Either way it was in Ohio and the facts are not out for us to see them. I know soundbites sound great on both sides but they are usually not true. Teachers have nice jobs and I am sure the majority are very happy with them but they do contribute into their pensions. Actually in NJ they contribute more then in a lot of other states. Again not saying its a bad deal but when you listen to soundbites all the time you really dont get the reality of the situation. This works on both ends. When they mention those fake pensions payments do they talk about the fact is takes around 15 to 25 years to get to the top? Again lets be honest and stop listening to soundbites it would help people's arguments a lot more.
Theres a retired phys teacher in my subdivision who drive a $60K merc, how u reckon he pays the note on that? He + his wife have been to both Eurape and Mexico last year.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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Theres a retired phys teacher in my subdivision who drive a $60K merc, how u reckon he pays the note on that? He + his wife have been to both Eurape and Mexico last year.

I love how people like you make assumptions on someone because they drive a nice car. Does he have kids? What does his wife do? Did his parents help him out his whole life. Whats his name you seem to have all the info. Then go onto the databases and see. I for one am ok and people wonder about me but I have had very very generous family and have watched my p's and q's. Maybe your "friend" with the Benz is posting on another thread that he cant afford living in NJ becus he drives a Benz. I can assure you one thing he is not making anything remotely close to 8k a year. Believe what you want dont let the facts get in the way of your views.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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I bought by dad a car....
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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Theres a retired phys teacher in my subdivision who drive a $60K merc, how u reckon he pays the note on that? He + his wife have been to both Eurape and Mexico last year.

By the way my friends house cleaner shows up in a BMW and he drives a used RAV 4.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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And it still depends where you are. My niece has been teaching in a south Jersey public school for 5 years and she's in the mid-40k range.
i know someone who teaches in middletown, nj and is a little over 60k after 6 years. i think the primary complaint with teachers (and most public workers) is the benefits especially retirement benefits. but i think people should always complain about it no matter what, because the minute you stop complaining they will take advantage even more. anything public is political and is a corrupt process.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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By the way my friends house cleaner shows up in a BMW and he drives a used RAV 4.
Sure, she gets preffferenetial treatment from the state too - no tax and free stamps
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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well, the rav4 is a great car. i have a 2005 and im not excited about getting rid of it. id just go right into a new rav4 but its not the same as the 2005. they made newer models longer.
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:13 PM
 
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Theres a retired phys teacher in my subdivision who drive a $60K merc, how u reckon he pays the note on that? He + his wife have been to both Eurape and Mexico last year.
How do you know his wife isn't wealthy, or they didn't get an inheritance? How do you know he didn't buy Apple stock 20 years ago? Why would you presume to know his pension based on nothing but what he drives and where he goes on vacation?
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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How do you know his wife isn't wealthy, or they didn't get an inheritance? How do you know he didn't buy Apple stock 20 years ago? Why would you presume to know his pension based on nothing but what he drives and where he goes on vacation?
Exactly

Unless you are privy to all of their savings, investments, inheritances, lottery winnings, and other possible sources of income, it is extremely presumptous to assume that this person is "wealthy" as a result of his pension. In fact, it would be incorrect.

While I may live modestly in the eyes of my neighbors, I am actually the classic "millionaire next door" (read the book of the same name if you don't know what I am referring to), as a result of beating the stock market averages almost every year for the past...19 or so...years. I could drive a Mercedes, but I choose not to. I could vacation in exotic places, but I choose not to.

But, if I did choose to live a luxury lifestyle--it would NOT be as a result of my retirement benefits. It would be as a result of a decent inheritance, coupled with very good investment returns over a period of many years.

I think that you should focus on your own affairs, rather than trying to analyze why your neighbors might live in a more comfortable manner than you do.


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Sure, she gets preffferenetial treatment from the state too - no tax and free stamps
Yeah, that "preffferenetial (sic) treatment" will get you every time.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:29 PM
 
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i know someone who teaches in middletown, nj and is a little over 60k after 6 years. i think the primary complaint with teachers (and most public workers) is the benefits especially retirement benefits. but i think people should always complain about it no matter what, because the minute you stop complaining they will take advantage even more. anything public is political and is a corrupt process.
Middletown NJ?

I have their salary guide for this year. It goes from 51k to 79k over 16 years. The big "bump" happens 9 years in. Step 6 is not at 60K.

Now maybe they had experience before they got there, but given the compression of the steps on their guide (they had 19 before the current contract), there is no way they are on the 6th step at 60k unless they are doing a bunch of activities.
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